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Question: Which do you think is better?
Changing jobs every few years - 10 (62.5%)
Staying with the same company - 6 (37.5%)
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« on: September 16, 2007, 07:20:09 AM »

What do you think is better for career advancement?

Changing jobs every few years looking for better opportunities which could mean more money and better position now as no one will leave their current job for a worse job, or staying with the same company and working your way to the top, which may take more time, i.e is slower but more secure because you know your company inside and out, you have a solid history with company.....


Please note that I delibirately did not add the self-employment option. This poll is strictly about being an employee.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 09:33:12 AM »

I am still in college... so I can't say anything. But I *DID* want to monitor this, so I'm adding a reply.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2007, 10:29:37 AM »

I have been with the same company for 9 years. This is the only company I ever worked for.

On the plus side, I am very respected, my job has become a second nature to me even though it is not what you call routine as I am the business development manager (new title Smiley ) and I am very respected by the management.There is also job security as I know if they ever decide to downsize, I will be the last one to go.

However, I feel I have reached my limits. Like if I stay in the company for the rest of my career life, there won't be much more advancement, except maybe money wise, but slowly though.

Changing companies means an instant raise of at least 50%, if not more, better package but the risk of not liking the new environment, having to prove myself again, to fit in, remember a career change now means joining another company as an instant manager, and many people within the department would have been hoping for that position....

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2007, 10:37:59 AM »

Surely your progress, title and the respect you had at your old buisness will transfer? I mean, when you change companies don't you have to put people as contacts of prior employment? Won't they talk to your old managers? Old coleagues? Plus, your resume' will look great.

It's not a total "reboot", is it?
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2007, 11:43:32 AM »

I think changing jobs every few years, in general. But it depends on the person and the company, some companies offer great benefits for staying with them.

But like i said generally speaking, shop around. At least until you find one of those employers worth sticking with.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2007, 05:32:43 PM »

I would say it's preferable to stick with the same job, but only if you're getting what you want out of being employed there. I would say most of the growth I've experienced on a professional level occurred at a point when I had been working with the same people for a while. It's easier to learn necessary skills for a trade from more experienced co-workers once you feel comfortable with them.

Of course gaining employment is a vital skill in and of itself. The ability to present a good case for why a potential employer should hire you comes with experience.

I think the best is a combination of the two, but to be willing to stay put if conditions are good. I've had a few jobs that very easily could have led to quick advancement, had I not been stricken with the desire to move around so much and live in different places.
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2007, 10:30:14 PM »

I think it depends on the person and their stage in their career. I'm mid-level (about 10 years as a professional web developer). At least in this industry it is hard to find people who stay at a company more than a year. My present employer is great, however I feel to get a raise would mean moving on to another company.

I have friends who jump every 6 months, and are now making quite a good salary. I typically stay around 2 years w/o a significant bump in salary before I venture onward.

On the other hand, I'm sure there are people out there who are "go getters" -- people oriented schoozers or who can climb the ladder rather quickly.

In the end it is your responsibility to set a goal -- determine and prove to your boss how you can effect the bottom line and justify your raise...otherwise, start looking Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2007, 12:09:22 AM »

I think it depends on the person and their stage in their career. I'm mid-level (about 10 years as a professional web developer). At least in this industry it is hard to find people who stay at a company more than a year. My present employer is great, however I feel to get a raise would mean moving on to another company.

I have friends who jump every 6 months, and are now making quite a good salary. I typically stay around 2 years w/o a significant bump in salary before I venture onward.

On the other hand, I'm sure there are people out there who are "go getters" -- people oriented schoozers or who can climb the ladder rather quickly.

In the end it is your responsibility to set a goal -- determine and prove to your boss how you can effect the bottom line and justify your raise...otherwise, start looking Smiley



I agree chovy...there are a lot of variables that need to be taken into acct.  Industry is prolly the most important factor IMO.  I would think that working in the software industry allows for the most company jumping.

I would prefer to work for one company that treats me right for my entire life, but thats pretty idealistic.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2007, 01:07:23 AM »

So would I -- but what I want, and what I am offered are rarely the same.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2007, 07:32:29 PM »

I would suggest staying with the same company especially if they offer a real  pension not just a 401K. Your time with the company will add to your pension payouts. If I stay with my current company I can retire at 55 and live a comfortable life. I would like to retire earlier but I don't think that is possible unless I hit the lotto or make a lucky investment.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2007, 08:22:39 PM »

I wish I was in an industry w/ a pension...fire + police get around 90% of their salary from what I've heard...I'd be stoked with that.

Unfortunately, in most companies there is no pension in my field (tech)...and my only hopes is a 401k that could/could not have a positive return.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2007, 08:48:09 PM »

Could you find work in a "traditional" company doing tech work, rather than just a tech company?
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2007, 10:23:56 PM »

anything is possible...typically though from what I've seen is that traditional companies that aren't focused on the web (my field) don't have a lot to offer.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2007, 05:45:31 PM »

What do you think is better for career advancement?


Relaly good topic Cedar  Grin

Okay, first thing we need to know are your long term and medium term goals, career wise.

This is important, because IMO there are three reasons a person is an employee

1)To learn/gain experience in chosen field
2)Because they love working there
3)For financial remuneration.

Okay, if people are at their work for option 3 then it is a really bad choice. Short term okay, but you will not become wealthy by being an employee for any length of time. Self employment/business ownership is way to go for that.

Which then brings us back to option 1 and 2.

Which ties back in with the goals question I asked you. Is your current job providing you with valuable experience and knowledge for what you want to do later in life? Is your current job something that you have a passion for and enjoying spending time there?

If the answers to both of these questions are no, then you are only passing time in your current employment and need to re evaluate your life goals, and strategy on how to get there.

Anyway, that is just my opinion on it. I must profess to being biased against employees against self employment from a financial perspective. Please take that into account haha.
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2007, 06:46:49 AM »

Surely your progress, title and the respect you had at your old buisness will transfer? I mean, when you change companies don't you have to put people as contacts of prior employment? Won't they talk to your old managers? Old coleagues? Plus, your resume' will look great.

It's not a total "reboot", is it?

It is true that it is not total reboot, but you still have to justify your employment, to prove that you are as good as they thought you are when they hired you, whereas this is something I have for granted now.

And this means longer hours at work, because each company has its own culture, to familiarize with the environment. In my line of business, it is very important to know how things work, and the procedures within each company are different, the back office, the IT systems...I am in business development and unconventional projects. The most important thing in my function is to know as much as you can the points of strength of the company and the constraints you face. These differ from company to company. So even though my experience is valuable, it depends on factors that I can't transfer from comapny to company. It has taken me years in my current company to reach this level of internal knowledge about the company.

Now I just ask set the procedures without having to turn to the IT departement or the accounting or the technical department....i.e. I tell them what I want, not ask them if this is feasible because I know our strength and weaknesses.

I don't know if I explained myself properly  Undecided
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