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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2007, 05:52:05 AM »

Most don't. The others who do are like you: nuts.

That's quite a choice there.

Either Christians "cherry pick" (BTW, you've beaten that dead horse beyond recognition) or 
don't actually read the book that's the basis for their belief, or the ones that do read it are lunatics.

..& of course you have ample evidence that most Christians don't read their Bible.




I'll again, point out the irony of you calling Christians out for selectively
reading the Bible, while you continue to do the exact same thing.





 

illy, your point is well taken..

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WTF is the whole point of this thread? To show modern Christian that they need to be more radical in their observance of scripture?

Not so much more radical, just more strictly observant to early Old Testament scripture
...Otherwise they're not honest Christians.



 
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2007, 05:30:51 PM »

I got it because that's entirely what you said. You gave a conditional statement.

No it is not entirely what I said.  You are reading into my words what you want them to say.  I am continuing with this to show that you do this regularly and you do tis with the words of scripture. 

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The conditional states that it's not wrong to beat your children to death for cracking a joke--

My statement did not provide the context for when it is appropriate to administer a death sentence to someone's grown children.  You are not stating my position accurately when you place to condition that the offense is "cracking a joke".  It is also not correct that an individual takes the law into their own hands, I did not say that either.  Already you have twisted my words far past the intended meaning of the writer (me).  But you are not finished yet.  This is what you do to scripture.  Do you think other readers don't see what you do?

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and here's the kicker---if they aren't too young. Most interesting that you chose to word it like that and entirely omit information regarding children who are old enough to understand accountability.

The age of accountability was and remains a major affair in the hebrew culture. 

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You leave open the option that it's ok to beat children who are old enough.

I am aware of the passages you ripped this from and the proper context too (it has very little to do with capital punishment for young children who mock priests by the way).  In our society people past our age of accountability are subject to capital punishment as well.

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Given that you claimed OT rules were moral and good,

Yes

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and murder, rape,

NO!

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and these violent laws are part of the OT rules,

Yes.

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and given you even claim it's perfection for a perfect being to insist on death

Yes

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(referring to the killing of children who mock priests),

No, if you look back I claimed that scripture does not mention death for young children who mock priests.  More of you changing my words.


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this implies you likely contend the latter is Biblical "perfection" and good, although you don't come out and say it.

The version you have rewritten is certainly not.

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You choose an ambiguous conditional on purpose for plausible deniability. If X then Y, X then Y. Not X = maybe Y, maybe not. I'll lean toward the former, given your comments.

If you would stop putting words in my mouth I could better explain.  Alas, that would not meet your purpose.  You are transparent.

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Your quote, emphasis mine:

it is not proper to beat children to death if they are younger than the age of accountability.  It is perfection for a perfect being to insist on death

Right. this is correct as written but not as you interpret it. People do have grown children (children past the age of accountability).  It is not proper to put to death people who can not be held accountable.   God however has dominion over all creation and can and will do with it as he pleases.

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Given that the Bible advocates rape, murder, theft, genocide

No it does not.

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and wanton death penalties for minor infractions against rules as part of the rules for behaviour, it therefore follows

No, sorry your givens are wrong so the balance is not substantiated.

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that it's conception of perfection includes sociopathic behaviour and that you approve of it, since you honestly considered that "perfection." Again, it's not my fault you are morally bankrupt and brainwashed.

As I said, technocrat.  You don't even try to understand.  You are bankrupt.
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2007, 07:48:00 PM »

illy, your point is well taken..

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WTF is the whole point of this thread? To show modern Christian that they need to be more radical in their observance of scripture?

Not so much more radical, just more strictly observant to early Old Testament scripture
...Otherwise they're not honest Christians.



 

Strictly observe what version of the OT?

Are we talking about learning Hebrew and Aramaic here, or can they just pick a good translation?
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2007, 08:33:40 PM »

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That's quite a choice there.

Either Christians "cherry pick" (BTW, you've beaten that dead horse beyond recognition) or
don't actually read the book that's the basis for their belief, or the ones that do read it are lunatics.

..& of course you have ample evidence that most Christians don't read their Bible.

You want evidence? Easy. They often make the following claims:

1. The Bible is a moral book
2. God is a moral being as described in the Bible
3. The Bible is consistent with no contradictions

Having any one of those opinions entails that you really didn't read the book or are a nutter, because no sane person who actually read it would hold those opinions.  It's like someone saying Mein Kampf is a moral book with a moral central character written by a guy who didn't contradict himself. Either you're nuts, lying, or haven't really read it, but rather only certain passages. You can make anything sound good by cherry-picking parts of it, including Mein Kampf.


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I'll again, point out the irony of you calling Christians out for selectively
reading the Bible, while you continue to do the exact same thing.

I don't do that all. I am taking it holistically. Overall, it's a poorly written, boring book filled with immoral recommendations and the veneration of evil deities.  Yahweh was originally a desert storm God the Jews used to justify their rape and pillage of the near east. Somehow, it expanded. That's about it.
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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2007, 08:38:50 PM »

Of course, Christians have yet another tactic: the myth of context and "lolz only my interpretation is correct, because I say so and...well, mine makes my horrible beliefs sound a whole lot better!"



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I am aware of the passages you ripped this from and the proper context too (it has very little to do with capital punishment for young children who mock priests by the way).  In our society people past our age of accountability are subject to capital punishment as well.
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Nonsense. It's specifically referring to the punishment for mocking priests, and you are trying to say something diametrically opposed based on a wishy-washy bullshit "context" argument. No context changes the passage. At the end of the day, it advocates executing children for mocking the clergy. Naturally the clergy would put something like this into the Bible to instill fear into the population. Fear keeps them in line and crafts a sense of "respect" for their authority.

Only a Christian could claim context to turn what something actually says, can be observed objectively, into something diametrically opposite, in order to defend the absurd. Contextsmontext. There is no context that changes the meaning.
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« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2007, 08:41:17 PM »

In fact, the Bible recommends death for dozens of victimless crimes that are only crimes according to the arbitrary, bizarre standards of the clergy, and this tool justifies all of them, claiming they are "good and just" just because God says--at least when he's not outright lying, pretending the Bible doesn't actually say it.
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« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2007, 05:03:54 AM »

You want evidence? Easy. They often make the following claims:

1. The Bible is a moral book
2. God is a moral being as described in the Bible
3. The Bible is consistent with no contradictions

That isn't evidence. That's your opinion.
That's the opinion of someone who's never read the book.
Your claim was "most Christians don't read it".

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Having any one of those opinions entails that you really didn't read the book or are a nutter, because no sane person who actually read it would hold those opinions.  It's like someone saying Mein Kampf is a moral book with a moral central character written by a guy who didn't contradict himself. Either you're nuts, lying, or haven't really read it, but rather only certain passages. You can make anything sound good by cherry-picking parts of it, including Mein Kampf.

I was waiting for Godwin to show up.
Nicely done.


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I don't do that all. I am taking it holistically. Overall, it's a poorly written, boring book filled with immoral recommendations and the veneration of evil deities.  Yahweh was originally a desert storm God the Jews used to justify their rape and pillage of the near east. Somehow, it expanded. That's about it.

Holistically? That's funny.
You've done nothing but focus on the first three books of the Bible.
..& not even the entire books, simply a few chapters containing Mosaic Law.

Is that what you mean by holistically?

Where are the commands to rape & pillage in Psalms? How about in the Gospels?
(That's Matthew, Mark, Luke & John, BTW)
Where did Jesus justify raping & pillaging? Was it during The Sermon on the Mount?
The Beatitudes?

Come back when you've actually read the entire book....that's cover to cover.
Since you won't, simply continue to offer up your selective critic.

It's mildly entertaining.
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« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2007, 06:32:31 AM »

I imagine some of these posts to be a cathartic vent for the militant atheists here.  In their real life they have no release against the God they fight against or are bitter towards.  It's like reading the rants of of an obstinate child, there isn't reason or consideration behind it, it's thread after thread of them emotionally and wildly lashing out.

What I can't decide is if they consciously know there is a God and they are bashing him like a teenager hates their parents, or if this is a display of a subconscious rebellion they can't articulate.

Either way, Carry on.
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« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2007, 09:27:19 PM »

I don't need to read and quote the entire book to know a lot of it is shit. Sorry. I put it down half way through. It's boring, inaccurate, and hardly a moral text, son.

The whole OT of your "moral holy book" is filled with vile recommendations by the same guy you claim to be filled with moral goodness. I don't give a shit what Jesus says, since Jesus is God, and God in the OT is an asshole. Therefore, Jesus is still responsible for what happened in the OT. God and Jesus are one and the same. Evil doesn't change. He just put on a happy face.
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« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2007, 09:51:18 PM »

you'd think, by the claims of xians, that atheists would love the bible. after all, aren't atheists accused of killing babies and raping women?
you'ld think that the atheist as defined by the xian would think the xian god is a total badass.
luckily, atheists see immorality when it presents itself - something xians have difficulty in doing. (scientifically proven, btw)
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« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2007, 06:25:34 AM »

I don't need to read and quote the entire book to know a lot of it is shit. Sorry. I put it down half way through.
Gee, there's a surprise, another militant atheist that's shown to be a liar.  You make your people proud!

Hey Techno, since you have a problem reading all the way through books I'll let you in on another plot you probably missed... Saruman turns out to be a bad guy!  Fo' realzys!

EDIT - welcome back from your suspension Barney, I hope you had time to think about why you are naughty.
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« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2007, 10:42:17 AM »

I am not a liar at all. If I were a liar, I would have told you I read the entire boring, crappy book, now wouldn't I, Llama Boy?

The book is bad. That's not a lie. It's fact, and the OT is an immoral pile of shit.
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« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2007, 11:11:47 AM »

I am not a liar at all. If I were a liar, I would have told you I read the entire boring, crappy book, now wouldn't I, Llama Boy?

The book is bad. That's not a lie. It's fact, and the OT is an immoral pile of shit.

Are you capable of engaging in respectful, mature and civil debate?

It seems a great deal of your posts are laden with profanity that contributes nothing to the contextual substance of the post.

When I see repeated behavioral patterns like this, I recommend the offender to read the "Forum Civility" thread at the top of the page.

This area of the forum will remain respectable, and this applies to all sides of an issue.
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« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2007, 11:17:10 AM »

I am not a liar at all. If I were a liar, I would have told you I read the entire boring, crappy book, now wouldn't I, Llama Boy?
No, when called out for not actually reading the book, you responded:

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Wrong. More accurately, it's spoken like someone who actually has read it, unlike most Christians. If they read their Bible and thought about it, they would think it's disgusting too.

It only came out later that you stopped reading "halfway" through.
Your inability to keep attention is beside the point.

When you claim you've read a book, the implication is that you read the book,
not merely a 1/4 of it. Where did you stop, BTW? Which book?

Are you this dishonest when you talk about other books you've read?



You know, they make picture Bibles. Perhaps you'd have better luck in this area.
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« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2007, 11:55:06 AM »

EDITED-Patton
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