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« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2007, 11:58:19 AM » |
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Again, I am being civil. My behaviour is fine. The lying wall of ignorance I am facing here is far more serious than my "lack of tact."
Helpful hint here, it is staff that gets to make this call. Not you. And in case you missed it, he is a moderator, saying you are being uncivil. |
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« Reply #61 on: November 08, 2007, 12:52:44 PM » |
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We'll try this again. Read and understand the "Civility Thread" above. Your last post is saved in the "Moderator" area as reference to disregarding a Moderators polite request for maturity and civility. Attempt to disregard me and speak to me again like I am some punk and you will get to "view only" this area of the forum for the next week or two....continued disregard for Staff requests will up the ante from there. |
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« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2007, 05:40:39 PM » |
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I didn't disregard what you said at all. Had I disregarded what you said, I would have simply ignored you. You claimed I was being uncivil. Yet you say nothing about the people who outright lie or call people moron, dumbass, etc. If you are going to be inconsistent with your nanny rules, at least be honest. Helpful hint here, it is staff that gets to make this call. Not you. And in case you missed it, he is a moderator, saying you are being uncivil. Helpful hint here: when I want your opinion, I will ask you for it. One can say one's doing anything one likes. Doesn't mean it's true. |
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« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2007, 08:06:09 PM » |
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You claimed I was being uncivil. Correct, and your inability to demonstrate it is testimony enough. Yet you say nothing about the people who outright lie or call people moron, dumbass, etc. If you are going to be inconsistent with your nanny rules, at least be honest. Ah yes...using the actions of others to justify ones own. Any reason you have that I read each and every post on the forum? I do, however, read the ones reported. Helpful hint here, it is staff that gets to make this call. Not you. And in case you missed it, he is a moderator, saying you are being uncivil. Helpful hint here: when I want your opinion, I will ask you for it. One can say one's doing anything one likes. Doesn't mean it's true. Bypass Moderator and go straight to Admin.... I think we're done here. Maybe when you are allowed to post again, you will have learned something. |
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« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2007, 05:06:50 AM » |
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I missed this: illy, your point is well taken.. WTF is the whole point of this thread? To show modern Christian that they need to be more radical in their observance of scripture? Not so much more radical, just more strictly observant to early Old Testament scripture ...Otherwise they're not honest Christians. Strictly observe what version of the OT? The book of Leviticus, apparently. I doubt translation matters. Either Christians approve of OT law, or they aren't being honest. That appears to be the implication. What's being ignored continually, along with ~ 85% of the Bible, is Christ. Edit - Spellcheck wants to change illy to oily.  |
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« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2007, 05:26:42 AM » |
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« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2007, 05:42:16 AM » |
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« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2007, 07:23:32 AM » |
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if you read the few sayings by Jesus that are actually present in the bible. that is, if you focus on NOTHING BUT "Christ" you will see that he claimed that he had not come to overturn the OT laws.
HE said it, not me.
btw, what do xians mean when they say "jesus completed" the laws? how is "thou shalt not kill" completed?
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« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2007, 07:26:43 AM » |
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if you read the few sayings by Jesus that are actually present in the bible. that is, if you focus on NOTHING BUT "Christ" you will see that he claimed that he had not come to overturn the OT laws.
HE said it, not me.
btw, what do xians mean when they say "jesus completed" the laws? how is "thou shalt not kill" completed?
I haven't seen any Christians here arguing that he came to over turn the OT laws Barnes. What are you trying to say? |
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« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2007, 08:34:51 AM » |
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it has been said several times on this board, but not on this thread, that Christ dissolved the Old Testament laws. In this thread Christians seem to be supporting the basic principle of the Old Testament laws while disregarding the demanded punishment for them. Which is fine by me, they are detestable punishments that any moral society would have thrown aside. I just wanted to understand how some modern Christians rationalize the absolute lack of morality in the Old Testament.
If there is anything moral about the Old Testament it is that we can see the moral consequences of taking the bible literally. If you believe the bible, or any other book, is literally the word of God then the only thing keeping you from stepping over the edge is your interpretation. This is one reason radical Islam is such a terrible force and it should be understood that we are lucky to have enough prosperity and distraction in America that Christians don't openly advocate religion war. (although some still do)
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« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2007, 08:53:21 AM » |
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I missed this: illy, your point is well taken.. WTF is the whole point of this thread? To show modern Christian that they need to be more radical in their observance of scripture? Not so much more radical, just more strictly observant to early Old Testament scripture ...Otherwise they're not honest Christians. Strictly observe what version of the OT? The book of Leviticus, apparently. I doubt translation matters. Either Christians approve of OT law, or they aren't being honest. That appears to be the implication. What's being ignored continually, along with ~ 85% of the Bible, is Christ. Edit - Spellcheck wants to change illy to oily. Spell check buttons are so last year. Get yourself firefox 2, it has a built in spell check. Many would disagree with you about the translation mattering. That has been described to me by some Christians as following the letter, not the spirit of the law. Considering the number of manuscripts and translations, I think interpretation of the Bible is a fairly subjective thing. But, if I am supposed to follow something strictly, I would do well to learn the language it was written in, to minimize meaning that gets lost in translation. I see faith as a personal matter, and IMO where the line of thinking in this thread goes wrong is not in suggesting that Christians need to be more strict in anything, but that they need to do something. It's a bit presumptuous to think people need to interpret their faith in any one way. |
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« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2007, 09:44:39 AM » |
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it has been said several times on this board, but not on this thread, that Christ dissolved the Old Testament laws.
I've heard it argued he completed them. Beyond me to interpret that, but it sounds different tan dissolved to me. Spell check buttons are so last year. Get yourself firefox 2, it has a built in spell check.
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« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2007, 09:53:48 AM » |
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if you read the few sayings by Jesus that are actually present in the bible. that is, if you focus on NOTHING BUT "Christ" you will see that he claimed that he had not come to overturn the OT laws.
HE said it, not me.
btw, what do xians mean when they say "jesus completed" the laws? how is "thou shalt not kill" completed?
I haven't seen any Christians here arguing that he came to over turn the OT laws Barnes. What are you trying to say? Most Xians say that the NT overrides the OT. Some use the strange term "completes the Law". However, Jesus DOES overturn some laws of the OT, such as divorce (and the Paul contradicts Jesus!). So, I guess what I'm saying, make up your own mind, but don't claim it is written such a way in the Bible becuase it ain't. |
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« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2007, 03:08:09 PM » |
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Many would disagree with you about the translation mattering. Oh I agree, illy, particularly when dealing with those that actually practice their faith. My comment was directed at those leveling the accusation of dishonesty on the part of Christians not adhereing to OT law. That has been described to me by some Christians as following the letter, not the spirit of the law. Considering the number of manuscripts and translations, I think interpretation of the Bible is a fairly subjective thing. But, if I am supposed to follow something strictly, I would do well to learn the language it was written in, to minimize meaning that gets lost in translation. Absolutely. I see faith as a personal matter, and IMO where the line of thinking in this thread goes wrong is not in suggesting that Christians need to be more strict in anything, but that they need to do something. It's a bit presumptuous to think people need to interpret their faith in any one way.
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« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2007, 05:19:47 PM » |
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Many would disagree with you about the translation mattering. Oh I agree, illy, particularly when dealing with those that actually practice their faith. My comment was directed at those leveling the accusation of dishonesty on the part of Christians not adhereing to OT law. That has been described to me by some Christians as following the letter, not the spirit of the law. Considering the number of manuscripts and translations, I think interpretation of the Bible is a fairly subjective thing. But, if I am supposed to follow something strictly, I would do well to learn the language it was written in, to minimize meaning that gets lost in translation. Absolutely. I see faith as a personal matter, and IMO where the line of thinking in this thread goes wrong is not in suggesting that Christians need to be more strict in anything, but that they need to do something. It's a bit presumptuous to think people need to interpret their faith in any one way.
Again, no argument there. It's becoming apparent to me that I misunderstood what you said. I thought you were claiming the dishonest Christians part (due to not strictly following the OT). |
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