Atheism, Religion, and Politics....

Findeton

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Re: Atheism, Religion, and Politics....

« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2007, 03:03:52 PM »

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Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 31, 2007, 01:07:25 PM

I would vote for a candidate whose political policies I liked but whose religious views I disliked over one whose politics I disliked and religious views I liked. For example, Romney's Mormonism means nothing to me one way or another.

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So you think its ok that he believes a story that is obviously false. A two year old with an internet connection can figure out that Joe Smith was a fraud. I expect the president of the USA to know that.

Would it be ok with you if he believed the easter bunny was real?

Yes, as long as that belief doesn't affect her judgement. I'm spanish, an atheist, and our president is Jose Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, and he has stated that he is christian. Well, he is christian and i'm atheist, so what? shouldn't i vote for him? I would vote any candidate whose values are acceptable, and i don't care if he's got those values from christianity or atheism or pastafarism or rastafarism, or from the islam. I want a president to be secular, not to mix the government with any religion, i demand him to get the subject of religion out of the schools, i don't want any reference of god in any official statement. If a certain candidate supports that, well, i don't fuckin' care if he is muslim, christian or what.


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allpoints

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Re: Atheism, Religion, and Politics....

« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2007, 03:15:01 PM »

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What do you mean?

The irony of using an uncyclopedia link to illustrate a misquoted absurdity based on a logical fallacy used to defend a myth.

I guess it's my own little private gigglefest...


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OswaldTheOsprey

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Re: Atheism, Religion, and Politics....

« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2007, 06:52:46 PM »

Quote from: Delta Nine on October 31, 2007, 01:52:05 PM

Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 31, 2007, 01:07:25 PM

So you think its ok that he believes a story that is obviously false. A two year old with an internet connection can figure out that Joe Smith was a fraud. I expect the president of the USA to know that.

Would it be ok with you if he believed the easter bunny was real?

Again, I am interested in their positions on political issues-nothing more. Suppose you believed in everyone of his secular political policies. Would you still reject him exclusively on religious grounds?

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Re: Atheism, Religion, and Politics....

« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2007, 04:42:22 AM »

Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 31, 2007, 06:52:46 PM

Quote from: Delta Nine on October 31, 2007, 01:52:05 PM

Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 31, 2007, 01:07:25 PM

So you think its ok that he believes a story that is obviously false. A two year old with an internet connection can figure out that Joe Smith was a fraud. I expect the president of the USA to know that.

Would it be ok with you if he believed the easter bunny was real?

Yes. If you're dumb enough to be a Mormon you sure as hell not smart enough to be president. Decision should be made on logic, reason and science, not faith in sky friends.


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Factinista

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Re: Atheism, Religion, and Politics....

« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2007, 06:55:14 AM »

Patton is confusing the difference between candidates that are religious, and candidates that have religious policies.

First off it is nearly impossible for a candidate to be "officially" anything but a Christian in modern politics. How many non-Christians are running for office now? 1, a deist(Gravel). For whatever reason being a Christian is essentially a test of a candidates "Americanity". This is because of the illusion that many Americans hold of our country. America is NOT founded on Christianity, but many believe it is.

So the real question is whether or not their policies infringe on the religion (or lackthereof) of citizens. Clinton for example used very little of his religious belief to change policies despite his rhetoric about faith. However Bush openly and honestly tells us that religion controls what he does in office, as well as supporting faith based initiatives. This is how we "Atheists" look at candidates. We, like all Americans, pick the best choice we can based upon the myriad of corrupt politicians whos real intentions are always hidden.


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Re: Atheism, Religion, and Politics....

« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2007, 08:28:25 AM »

Quote from: Factinista on November 01, 2007, 06:55:14 AM

Patton is confusing the difference between candidates that are religious, and candidates that have religious policies.

I am not confused.

I mentioned nothing of their policies.

How does an Atheists intellectually deal with the religion of a Presidential candidate?

Basically an atheists MUST support, in MOST ALL cases a Christian, to run the country. As demonstrated repeatedly on this forum...the contempt, vitriol, sense of superiority and in some cases outright hatred that some atheists direct toward Christians, I find it intresting those same people will go to GREAT lenghths to defend these "demented"..."stupid"..."unintelligent" individuals....I attemted to describe this earlier:

Some atheists will enthusiatically endorse, support and contribute to the campaigns...place the candidates high on pedestals...how they are "good for the country"..all the while saving their vocal and written intolerance and vitriol against God and religion for us regular folks who can't change anything...and all the while praising their candidate...who very well could change things and the same atheists WILL NOT speak publically or loudly about their candidates faith in God.

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First off it is nearly impossible for a candidate to be "officially" anything but a Christian in modern politics. How many non-Christians are running for office now? 1, a deist(Gravel). For whatever reason being a Christian is essentially a test of a candidates "Americanity". This is because of the illusion that many Americans hold of our country. America is NOT founded on Christianity, but many believe it is.

So...I guess this country is run by and supported by a bunch of idiots.

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We, like all Americans, pick the best choice we can based upon the myriad of corrupt politicians whos real intentions are always hidden.

You will get no arguement from me here.


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Re: Atheism, Religion, and Politics....

« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2007, 08:46:42 AM »

Quote from: Delta Nine on November 01, 2007, 04:42:22 AM

Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 31, 2007, 06:52:46 PM

Quote from: Delta Nine on October 31, 2007, 01:52:05 PM

Quote from: OswaldTheOsprey on October 31, 2007, 01:07:25 PM

So you think its ok that he believes a story that is obviously false. A two year old with an internet connection can figure out that Joe Smith was a fraud. I expect the president of the USA to know that.

Would it be ok with you if he believed the easter bunny was real?

Yes. If you're dumb enough to be a Mormon you sure as hell not smart enough to be president. Decision should be made on logic, reason and science, not faith in sky friends.

To each their own.

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Re: Atheism, Religion, and Politics....

« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2007, 11:36:03 AM »

Quote from: Patton on October 31, 2007, 05:10:21 AM

Well...at least 2 of the things recommended to not speak of in polite company...

How does an Atheists intellectually deal with the religion of a Presidential candidate?

It is known that some atheists say that purple unicorns exist as much as God exists...

That in effect leaves an Atheist supporting a believer in purple unicorns, the tooth fairy and Santa Claus for President of the United States....must be comforting.

Some atheists will enthusiatically endorse, support and contribute to the campaigns...place the candidates high on pedestals...how they are "good for the country"..all the while saving their vocal and written intolerance and vitriol against God and religion for us regular folks who can't change anything...and all the while praising their candidate...who very well could change things and the same atheists WILL NOT speak publically or loudly about their candidates faith in God.

Intresting.

Wow.

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths that Christians will go to pretend they are some kind of oppressed minority in the USA or amongst its government.

Atheists are simply forced to 'suck it up and take it on the chin' on this issue on a daily basis.

And you complain that you don't like it?

Btw, the power of religious institutions is entirely dependent upon average religious people far more than an President or politician. Politicians don't usually have any scope at all to exercise any effect on relgion. Average people do.

And as far as I can see in US politics, atheists aren't much of concern to any one for anything. They are dismissed as a tiny minority and not a single elected federal politician claims atheism. Christians, who are at least the largest plurality if not an outright majority in the USA have been quite active in trying to advance a Christian agenda in politics over the last 20 years. And they are offended that atheists don't like it? I don't get it.


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