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« on: November 02, 2007, 11:41:40 AM »

by cutting all electrical power.

Children - and grown up people - with serious kidney problems will die, Palestinian doctors say. They are completely dependent on dialysis which is dependent on electrical power.

A case for the UN court in Hague?
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 12:00:48 PM »

by cutting all electrical power.

Children - and grown up people - with serious kidney problems will die, Palestinian doctors say. They are completely dependent on dialysis which is dependent on electrical power. 

LOL... You mean HAMAS is killing ill children in Gaza...by continuing to fire Kassam rockets at Israeli population centers, KNOWING FULL WELL what the reperrcussions will be??

How about this RADICAL IDEA... Hamas stops firing rockets at Israeli civilian population centers, and Israel won't shut off the power.. Then those poor Palestinian children on dialysis, which Hamas (the leadership they elected) obviously care so much about... won't be subject to shutting off of the power... HMMMM... lol



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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 02:32:19 PM »

Hey, Reality... Do you remember how it was called the indiscriminated retaliation against civilian population by a sovereign state? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 03:46:22 PM »

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Hamas stops firing rockets at Israeli civilian population centers, and Israel won't shut off the power.

and things remain how they are, and how they've been for 40 years. Stop firing rockets, and you can have peace. Peace behind the barb wire.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 04:06:56 PM »

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and things remain how they are, and how they've been for 40 years. Stop firing rockets, and you can have peace. Peace behind the barb wire.
And electricity. 

Am I the only one that noticed that good old merry 'Robin Hood' didn't provide anything to back up this claim?  Just posted some stuff?

I can admit I am not completely up to date on this, but can someone answer this for me?  Why is it Israel's responsibility to provide electricity?  Should they be looking to to do it for themselves?
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 04:45:55 PM »

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Should they be looking to to do it for themselves?

individual responsibility, no universal health care, and stuff, all good. The problem is that Gaza was occupied for 37 years and is now a shut-off enclave totally separated from the world.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2007, 04:50:03 PM »


I can admit I am not completely up to date on this, but can someone answer this for me?  Why is it Israel's responsibility to provide electricity?  Should they be looking to to do it for themselves?

Because they are the occupier of an entire people and there are some laws of war under Geneva Convention, which the Zionist state doesn't give a fuck about it anyway.

And maybe you are right: is not Israel's responsibility to do that, but than Israel shouldn't occupy a foreign land and try to steal Gaza's water supply. Did you know that the only reason Israel is holding on that Goddam piece of land called Gaza Strip is for it's underground water resources. In another words, you have zionists stealing from some poor human beings, even if it is the air they breathe (not that is something new that the world doesn't know about it)
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2007, 05:22:34 PM »

Because they are the occupier of an entire people and there are some laws of war under Geneva Convention, which the Zionist state doesn't give a fuck about it anyway.

And maybe you are right: is not Israel's responsibility to do that, but than Israel shouldn't occupy a foreign land and try to steal Gaza's water supply. Did you know that the only reason Israel is holding on that Goddam piece of land called Gaza Strip is for it's underground water resources. In another words, you have zionists stealing from some poor human beings, even if it is the air they breathe (not that is something new that the world doesn't know about it)
Haven't they pulled out of the Gaza?  If they were occupying it, I doubt they would be allowing rockets to be fired from there. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2007, 05:30:45 PM »


Haven't they pulled out of the Gaza?  If they were occupying it, I doubt they would be allowing rockets to be fired from there. 
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I see you don't know too much about the region.

If they pulled out, how come I don't see on the world map any independent state of Palestine ? Douh ?
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2007, 06:09:16 PM »

Anybody else have something to say?  cat is woefully ignorant of the complex intricacies in the ME, so someone that knows would be really appreciated here...please!
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2007, 06:26:14 PM »


too much talk about intricacies, just stick to the facts, they speak for themselves
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2007, 12:28:26 PM »

Gaza in an overcrowded refugee camp (population density comparable to HOng Kong) isolated from the world. It was occupied for decades. Palestinians flocked to Gaza fleeing Zionist forces (often enough ethnic cleansings), and were refused to be accepted by Egypt (Arab solidarity). For 37 years Gaza was a prison where people couldn't get to a neighbouring village, or neighbouring street, without passing Israeli controls. Not a good environment to pursue electrification programmes, etc. Now Gaza is isolated from the world by Israel and the Zionist regime of Mubarak in Egypt. People can't even sell vegetables in Egypt, and the only imports coming to Gaza enter through "illegal" underground tunnel under the Egyptian border. How do u expect them to generate electricity?
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2007, 01:11:59 PM »

I wrote an answer but it's invisible.

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I can admit I am not completely up to date on this, but can someone answer this for me?  Why is it Israel's responsibility to provide electricity?  Should they be looking to to do it for themselves?

The Gaza strip is a completely isolated piece of land. During the Israeli ocupaiton, it was Israel's responsability to provide the services required byt he population, but for obvious reasosn they made sure to plug services to outside networks, and thus Gaza's abbility to produce its own electricity is pretty low. All they got is old equipment dated to the time of the British occupation, and which was designed for far less people than it lives there now.

Put in short, Gaza obtained its power supply from Iasrael as Israel didn't wanted Gaza to have its own power supply, and so now Israel can just pull out the plug and leave Gaza without power supply. Provided that Gaza is utterly poor, its economy is a whole disaster as its main business partner is Israel and its main employer is Israel, then Gaza can't live in the civilized world if Israel denies them the services, as consequence of israel's own occupation policy whose aim was, of course, precisely this.

Which leaves us with the uncomfortable question of what is the name of it when a State undertakes a collective and undiscirminated punishment against a civilian population.

Or, as this cartoon told...



Gaza's status has never been that of an independent nothing, but has always been an occupied land (owned by the Brits, by Egypt, by Israel) wiht all the inconveniences from it... and a hostage civilian population currently trapped between rocket-throwing heartless motherfucckers and mass-punishing heartless motherfuckers. Business as usual.
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