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Author Topic: Israel kills seriously ill Gaza children  (Read 1346 times)
Fredledingue
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2007, 04:59:31 PM »

Why did Palestinian voted for Hamas (==> random rocket fire on israel civilian sites) if the consequences are so dramatic?
Why do they praise suicide bombers so much?
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2007, 06:03:47 PM »

Only when you are in the palestinian shoes can you get a feel of the calamity. The source of the problem is injustice! You can not force peace when injustice remains. This is what the Israeli's and the west is trying to do. Now that Israel has got what it needed they are trying to forcefeed peace. No justice No peace.

Hezbollah has been called a 'terrorist' group by USraelis only, much like they call other groups that oppose them as terrorists such as Hamas, and of course lately the brand has been stretched to IRGC too. The same kind of tactic that widens the conflict by drawing in Iran.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2007, 08:13:14 PM »

Fredledingue, I wonder that you identify with the upper side of the world order, though you come from a nation that long was on the down side. How did u enjoy when Lithuania was recognized by the West as a legitimate property of the USSR? And the Russians trampling all over you chest was "internal issue". There are some in East Europe who embrace the US global domination for the sheer joy of seeing the irreconcilable enemy, Russia, retreating. The UN Gen Assembly vote record shows that nations that experienced foreign domination are pro-Palestinian while imperial nations with colonial "glory" are pro-Israeli. Why did Palestinians vote for Hamas... like u don't know why. Because Fatah was talking to Israel for decades and delivered NOTHING, except thick wallets and bank accounts for it leaders. While Mazen and Qureia and Dahlan & CO were living in their luxury houses and top hotels in Paris and Washington and London, and having nice dinners at Sharm al Sheikh, Palestinians continued to be occupied, repressed, dispossessed, daily humiliated at the checkpoints, and all the good thing of life under occupation. Fatah could (and will) keep on "negotiating", without any hope of achieving a deal: the Fatah oldfarts already have everything they want. Good life. SO they will keep on the spectacle of "negotiations". Fatah is paid by the US, and it's security apparatus is a branch of IOF (Isr Occ Force). They each have multimillion accounts in the US, and they have dumbed the Palestinian case long ago. They just want to continue like it goes now. Life is good. And their subjects will keep on bearing the costs. Without future and hope, remembering their lost homes and property in what became Israel, for which they received no compensation. Perpetual refugees. Existential dead-end. Their homes were stolen in 1948 once, and NOW their NEW homes are demolished by bulldozers because they were built without a licence from the occupying authority. While Israeli settlements are growing without any licence wahtsoever. And u're asking why Palestinians vote for Hamas.
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2007, 03:28:26 AM »

Peisi, Fred is Belgian. Which somehow proves your point about the difficulty of being empathetic towards the underdogs when they dare to bite back.
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2007, 08:36:45 AM »

This is just one of numerous warcrimes from the Israeli occupation force.

It startet with ethnical cleansing some decades ago. Almost 1 mill. Palestinians had to flee from the killing of children og women committed by terrorists like Begin, Shamir og Sharon.
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2007, 09:11:19 AM »

Shutting off electricity from your opponents is not a war crime.  The others you listed are, and those types of crimes were committed by both sides in that conflict that should not have been, and would not had both sides accepted the UN resolution.

a couple points
1 - as has been pointed out, since there was no link to any substantiating article, does any one know if any of these threats to turn of the grid are true?
2 - If Israel made the threat, have they acted on it?
3 - Any one know if Hamas has any plans to reallocate some of the millions they are spending on rockets to, oh i don't know, maybe looking into updating power plants or generators?  Or do the feel they really need the rockets now that Israel has withdrawn from Gaza?  Or could it be that their own people will not be as useful as PR tools if they actually but some effort into making their lives less pitiable? 

Both sides are spitting in the face of the average Palestinian citizen and using them as pawns, their own leaders AND the Israelis.
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2007, 11:05:51 AM »

Both sides are spitting in the face of the average Palestinian citizen and using them as pawns, their own leaders AND the Israelis.
This is heresy around here, and you should know it gomper.  The usual clowns will come howling that it is all Israel's fault.  The Palestinians have NO blame.  Ever.  For anything.  Israel should just cease to be, and every jew move.  Then in the ME it will be all peace, love and pink rainbows. 
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2007, 11:47:12 AM »

power should be shut down,,, otherwise it would be sign of weakness when non educated barbarians should get education,,, during that IAF should bomb few government building just to make clear Hamas understands the following step...

Israel survived so far in that peaceful region only because it been as hostile as others around it,,, it should go further... No peace with barbarians,,, you either fight them or divide them for internal confrontations...

maybe someday Arabs will learn rockets mean no power,,, if Israelis wouldn't level Gaza after being loving bunny with Lebanese and not leveling Beirut it will make a huge negative impact on ME...


Furthermore how miserable are those "pacifists" who claim this ain't fair, Israelis quit Gaza now they cut power to enemy entity that claim to dream of separation,,, so let them be separated.
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2007, 12:41:09 PM »

... The problem is that Gaza was occupied for 37 years ...

Only 37 years Peisi?? 

I suppose to you it only counts as "occupied" when it's occupied by Jews... Right hmmm   lol
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2007, 12:43:39 PM »

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as I understand, he was born and raised in Lithuania.

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Israel should just cease to be, and every jew move.

supposedly, sums up the Arab position. Israel negotiated with Palestinians, and every bloody time the talks stumbled over Israel's refusal to give back the 1967 land. Israel negotiated with Syria, and the talks hit the dead end of Israel's refusal to give back the Golan Heights (Barak insisted on keep a part of the area). Israel makes up 80% of the Mandate Palestine, the Occupied Palestinian territories make up 20%. Every single peace initiative broke over Israel's insistance on annexing parts of the REMNANTS of Palestine. Israel wants Maale Adumim, Gush Etzion, Gush Sharon, East Jerusalem, Golan Heights, other bits here and there, and air control over Palestine. When Palestinians refuse to concede another part of their homeland in addition to the 80% which they have already conceded, American media starts the screams about fundamentalism and inability to compromise and "Israel should just cease to be, and every jew move." Yeah right.

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maybe looking into updating power plants or generators?  

Israel bombed the biggest Gaza power plant last year. Whatever Palestinian can build in ten years, Israel can demolish in 10 minutes.

"""Flames rise out of a power plant after it was hit by an Israeli air strike in Gaza in this June 28, 2006 video grab."""

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0629-07.htm


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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2007, 05:25:28 AM »

... Israel makes up 80% of the Mandate Palestine

Clearly Moshe's been teaching you history.  Have you ever looked at a map of the Palestine Mandate Peisi??  Or is this one of those examples of you, once again, seeing ONLY what you want to see, and ignoring the rest??  lol

80% of the Palestine Mandate??  lol  More evidence you've gone off the deep end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2007, 09:31:31 AM »

I don't see why Stalin was wrong for sending millions to Gulag, but is OK for Israel to imprisson millions of refugees into Gaza Gulag ?
The only difference is temperature, maybe ?
Or for that matter, why Hitler was wrong? Can someone explain me slow and easy, I'm a little confused.
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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2007, 09:54:49 AM »

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I don't see why Stalin was wrong for sending millions to Gulag, but is OK for Israel to imprisson millions of refugees into Gaza Gulag ?
The only difference is temperature, maybe ?

Yep. That's the only difference.

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Or for that matter, why Hitler was wrong? Can someone explain me slow and easy, I'm a little confused.

I know. No, no one can explain it slow enough for you. There is a wide ocean between "Can't see" and "refuse to see".


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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2007, 08:15:54 PM »

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80% of the Palestine Mandate??

I should have said "Mandate of Palestine as it existed in the late period". Jordan became independent in 1946 after which the Mandate was what it was. What I said was correct, but not clarified enough. The late period Mandate Palestine. Happy now? I was initially going to say "historic Palestine", but decided that the late Mandate was almost but not entirely overlapping with "historic Palestine".
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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2007, 09:23:02 PM »

Historic Palestine is small area near Gaza so i wouldn't go there Peisi,,, Palestine never was a country and there is no single indication of it's borders,,, unless you count Palestinians as Philistines but then you loose again since Israelites(with some of Lebanon, Jordan and Syria) had most of it anyway ,,,
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