Or is it that the homosexual-killing aspect of Christianity has already been tamed by western law and the ballot box.

The homosexual-killing aspect of Islam has not yet been tamed by law or the ballot box.

The only distinction here is temporal.

To be fair Islam has had 600 fewer years to "resolve" the issue of Homosexuality.


However Islam is FAR more violent and oppressive to homosexuals overall. Christianity does have its bigotry but Islam is FAR more hatefull

I'd say the late 19th and 20th century is when the homo-killing aspect of Christianity was 'tamed' by western laws and the ballot box.

There is no clear cut date one can point to.

It is highly relevant.  There are apparently many in the USA that are quite unhappy about how homo-killing is legally and morally frowned upon in western societies.  Many would apparently like to go back to the 'good ole days' when beating up homos was considered good sport and stringing them up was only what they deserved.

No.  Time alone is not sufficient cause.  The process apparently requires a democratic minded populace with secular goals to be the operational majority.  These conditions have never really occured yet in a Muslim nation (us Westerners have a long history of only supporting anti-democratic rulers in Muslim nations which effectively prevents these conditions from coming about).

Sure.  No disagreement there.  Muslim societies abuse a great variety of different types of people.  Much like Christian societies used to abuse a great variety of different types of people (until they were legally forced to cease and desist).

Christians didn't stop doing this all by themselvses.  They were stopped by laws passed and enforced against them.

No.

The general argument people make on this issue is that Christianity is inherenetly good because it doesn't engage in this type of reprehensible behavior, while Islam is inherenetly bad because it does.

My point is that both religious groups are the same in their demonstrated institutional desire to engage in this kind of behavior.  The only different between Christianity and Islam here is that Christianity has been tamed by laws and Islam has not yet been.

I said the distinction is 'temporal' because if you look at the question in different time periods, you get different answers.  Thus, the difference between Christiainity and Islam here is just a temporal difference.  Ten years from now, that difference may, or might not, disappear.

Wow.  Seriously.  Just wow.

US support for Shah Palavi of Iran is exactly the kind of thing that has prevented democracy from arising in the Middle East.  The Iranians have developed an almost bottomless hatred for the USA because of the US support for the Shah that continues to the present day.  President Carter had nothing to do with it and arguably, there was nothing he could do about it.

As for the rest, I just don't see anything productive here if you are going to blame the Iranian Revolution on Carter.  That's just too far out there for me to pretend this is a serious discussion.

Well I am not atheist, however I think most religious superstitions are equally irrational.

The odd thing about living in a country that is dominatd by one religion is that most people understand why every other religion than their own is crazy and dangerous.

Personally, I feel that most people realize Islam is barbaric and useless, just as most people feel the Aztec religion or Mormonism is.  My task is to open the eyes of people to one more religion: Christianity.

To answer your 'queery': I assume everyone already accepts Islam is horrible, but with, say, 60% of the English speaking world being Xian, I think its obvious where the attention needs to be focused.




edit: btw, I will remind people again that whenever people talk of nation building it is always a SECULAR constitution that is preferred. Not Muslim, not Xian.  The reason for this is self-evident.

I will agree that Islam is a far less moral religion than Christianity, but given the historical/political context of both Islam and Christianity I think they both are a "threat" to the modern world. Unless you ignore the 40% of Americans that believe that the world will end within their lifetimes.