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Author Topic: Beware Of Unipolar World-Putin  (Read 1794 times)
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2007, 08:33:14 PM »

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bury "Democracy" in mausoleum forever.

what if the next czar happens to be a lunatic? Occasionally happens to monarchs. And u have already burried all ways of restraining his lunacy (except the coup de etat, but it might fail).

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Russia is for the Russian majority!

how about native populations? Tatars, Chechens, Yakuts, and so many other. They were where they are long before Russkies popped up there. Dagestan for the Russians? That's like Africa for the Boers.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2007, 11:42:52 PM »

You mix up two different things, people: internal relations between peoples of Russia, and relations between Russia and other countries. Putin is talking about NATO, not about chechens, daghestanis, tatars and chukchas..

In Moscow they are not very happy about NATO expansion, about american missiles in Europe, about threats to use Azerbaijan against Iran and so on, and you are again talking about democracy and authoritarism..
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2007, 03:38:34 AM »

You mix up two different things, people: internal relations between peoples of Russia, and relations between Russia and other countries. Putin is talking about NATO, not about chechens, daghestanis, tatars and chukchas..

In Moscow they are not very happy about NATO expansion, about american missiles in Europe, about threats to use Azerbaijan against Iran and so on, and you are again talking about democracy and authoritarism..

Very good points.

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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2007, 03:03:02 PM »

One doubts that other world leaders find them meaningless.

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So do I...b/c we are already living in a unipolar world.
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2007, 04:51:47 PM »

One doubts that other world leaders find them meaningless.

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So do I...b/c we are already living in a unipolar world.

Sadly, you may be right.

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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2007, 04:13:39 PM »

One doubts that other world leaders find them meaningless.

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What did Putin said concretely? Nothing but redundant evidences for a cheering cround of proud russians.
I know Putin. This kind of speech is for the domestic audience only.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2007, 04:50:29 PM »

One doubts that other world leaders find them meaningless.

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What did Putin said concretely? Nothing but redundant evidences for a cheering cround of proud russians.
I know Putin. This kind of speech is for the domestic audience only.

Perhaps so. However, anything a world leader says is known over the world.

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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2007, 11:14:03 AM »

You mix up two different things, people: internal relations between peoples of Russia, and relations between Russia and other countries. Putin is talking about NATO, not about chechens, daghestanis, tatars and chukchas..
In Moscow they are not very happy about NATO expansion, about american missiles in Europe, about threats to use Azerbaijan against Iran and so on, and you are again talking about democracy and authoritarism..
Tatars, Chechens, etc. are OK as long they follow Russian rules. They are not allowed to live in Moscow. They have be where they should be and pay taxes. On the day Tatars would like to have autonomy or independency they would be considered as American spies, nationalists, trators, etc. So relationships among nations inside of Russia is not so sweet either. Putin is talking about NATO, but Nato actually encourages those minorities to stand for their rights. Russia is a federation and they are afraid of further divisions. These small nations are fed up with Russia. What do they get in return? Many new small countries that run away from Russia in 1990 are doing much better than they would under Russian supervision. Good examples are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. They went even further and joined NATO and EU. Russians consider Georgia as a big problem, they do not know how to handle it. And other nations see it and they would like to get own freedom. On conterary Putin tells them that NATO is very bad and dangerous. He needs to say that, because these other small nations would like to follow Former Baltic States. If Tatars wanted their independency they would become Russians' enemies and need to fall into NATO arms. So Putin is trying to keep whole Russia in 1 hand otherwise it would fall apart.
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2007, 09:30:33 PM »

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bury "Democracy" in mausoleum forever.

what if the next czar happens to be a lunatic? Occasionally happens to monarchs. And u have already burried all ways of restraining his lunacy (except the coup de etat, but it might fail).

Is your USSA a monarchy? Shocked

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how about native populations? Tatars, Chechens, Yakuts, and so many other. They were where they are long before Russkies popped up there. Dagestan for the Russians? That's like Africa for the Boers.
I am native population! I was born among Yakuts and Chechens! Are you gonna send me to hell?
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2007, 03:41:39 AM »

Now I know why minorities get attacked in russia all of the time, because putin says things like this: "Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a veiled warning that foreigners were seeking to split up the vast country and plunder its resource wealth."

Foreigners have abused Russia. Putin looks out for Russia-not foreign interests.

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Yeah, because those African nations were really stickin' it to Russia in the early 90's  Roll Eyes .

Well actually prior to the '90s, those African nations were mooching off the old Soviet Union. For whatever relevance that has to this topic. Roll Eyes

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Since we are on the Soviet/African topic, The USSR pumped money into murderous regiemes during the cold war to keep the power balance at the expense of millions. That being said, Africa is the hardest hit region since the end of the cold war. The greatness of democracy (laugh it up) does not automatically mean riches, they are actually poorer now, 50+ yrs after colonialism than they were 20 yrs ago. As for Putin, I am an American, but I think Putin is a good leader, putting Russia back on the global power stage where it should rightfully be.
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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2007, 04:09:46 AM »

Putin was a good leader once,,, when he made Russia back to political stage and made his OWN country prosper somehow... now he is far from what he have been,,, it's not just him but all Russian society changed for bad,,,
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« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2007, 08:56:57 AM »

Good for Putin!  We need more leaders like him to stop this USraeli influence in the region which is greater than ever before. With the ongoing barking by USrael to attack Iran Russia must be very concerned of what is going on around her neighbourhood. You think the idea of partioning is a joke? That's what the USraelis have already tried by creating a rift amongst different minority groups in Iran azeris/baluchis/kurds,,,

The American administration has become a joke. people such as Rice trip around the world and give lessons. No doubt that Putin loves the taste of power just like Sarkozy and Bush.
Read this:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/10/13/ap4216943.html

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« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2007, 10:03:18 AM »

Once again foreign types like you want Russia in cold war with West so they will sponsor your inferior nations,,, hopefully Russians have enough brain to keep distance from kinds like you
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« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2007, 11:28:59 AM »

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Is your USSA a monarchy?

USSA=SS? Not a response to my question about a lunatic autocrat after u "burried" democracy in Russia. Look at the US, see how bad it is when democracy is "burried"? A lunatic leading the nation into disasters. Want same in Russia?

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I am native population!

then Russia is not for you, becasue, as YOU said,

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Russia is for the Russian majority!
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« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2007, 12:20:17 PM »

Once again foreign types like you want Russia in cold war with West so they will sponsor your inferior nations,,, hopefully Russians have enough brain to keep distance from kinds like you

And once again jews like you want the west to go into another war with Iran so they will sponsor inferior nations like yours: Israel.
Despite all your own crimes and violations of laws in the past 40 years pricks like you have the audacity to take the moral high ground and preach others what makes a good leader. That has the word starting with the letter 'h' written all over it.
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