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finally you shown up your true face,,, unlike some of you you never lasted for too long to split the real deal you been preaching so far,,
don't forget to change it back next time you will preach democracy and unfairness of Zionist policies,,, just don't blow off yourself as you blew you cover in no time
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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2007, 11:51:41 PM » |
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Tatars, Chechens, etc. are OK as long they follow Russian rules. They are not allowed to live in Moscow. They have be where they should be and pay taxes. On the day Tatars would like to have autonomy or independency they would be considered as American spies, nationalists, trators, etc. So relationships among nations inside of Russia is not so sweet either. PhilY, where did you get the crap about Moscow specific disallowance to Tatars and Chechens? According to my statistics we have about 100 000 Chechens in Moscow.This number is old, but I guess it hasn't changed too much. As for Tatars they have a privileged position in the Federation especially in local/federal taxation ratio. Sweetness of international relations inside of Russia is a function of penetration of liberalism into society. Euros can't stand each other too, so what? Putin is talking about NATO, but Nato actually encourages those minorities to stand for their rights. Russia is a federation and they are afraid of further divisions. These small nations are fed up with Russia. What do they get in return? Many new small countries that run away from Russia in 1990 are doing much better than they would under Russian supervision. Georgia is a perfect example how the former republic is "doing well". In fact NO post-Soviet country is any better than Russia, (except three Baltic mongrels) and we, the CIS, would be better off if we join our integrational efforts. Good examples are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. They went even further and joined NATO and EU. Ahem. Billions of Western monies pumped into these dwarfs for the loyality to the Western masters. They are the same olygarchic regimes like their former sisters in the East. Tell your stories to 14-years-old-teenagers. Russians consider Georgia as a big problem, they do not know how to handle it. And other nations see it and they would like to get own freedom. On conterary Putin tells them that NATO is very bad and dangerous. He needs to say that, because these other small nations would like to follow Former Baltic States. If Tatars wanted their independency they would become Russians' enemies and need to fall into NATO arms. So Putin is trying to keep whole Russia in 1 hand otherwise it would fall apart.
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philY Georgia is a perfect example of mismanagement. Impoverished nation, broken apart, widely supported by Euros and Yanks and pigeon-holed as a show-case of Democracy to the near-by countries is under crisis. Saakashvili is oppressing opposition, driving away anti-government demonstrations, shutting up TVchannels, persecuting businessmen and finally endorse "state of emergency", in which conditions the new elections are called on, may I ask you what are you talking about? What the heck NATO has to do with Georgian economy and domestic stability? Tatars must feel happy with Russia, don't you think? |
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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2007, 12:17:58 AM » |
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Is your USSA a monarchy? USSA=SS? Not a response to my question about a lunatic autocrat after u "burried" democracy in Russia. Look at the US, see how bad it is when democracy is "burried"? A lunatic leading the nation into disasters. Want same in Russia? Well, your point just proves that the system of checks and balances doesn't work anymore in the biggest and fairest Democracy. Look at China, no democracy, though, people are doing better each year. Common tendency? Who knows, maybe, humanity reached a no-return point. Too wealthy, too healthy, too brainless... I am native population! then Russia is not for you, becasue, as YOU said, Russia is for the Russian majority! There is no contradiction. Let's look up the Cambridge dictionary. native
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1 [before noun] relating to or describing someone's country or place of birth or someone who was born in a particular country or place:
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« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2007, 06:50:06 AM » |
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Tatars, Chechens, etc. are OK as long they follow Russian rules. They are not allowed to live in Moscow. They have be where they should be and pay taxes. On the day Tatars would like to have autonomy or independency they would be considered as American spies, nationalists, trators, etc. So relationships among nations inside of Russia is not so sweet either. PhilY, where did you get the crap about Moscow specific disallowance to Tatars and Chechens? According to my statistics we have about 100 000 Chechens in Moscow.This number is old, but I guess it hasn't changed too much. As for Tatars they have a privileged position in the Federation especially in local/federal taxation ratio. Sweetness of international relations inside of Russia is a function of penetration of liberalism into society. Euros can't stand each other too, so what? There are ethinical Tatars and citizens of Tatar Republic. It is a big difference. The same with Chechens. Have you ever seen anybody with some Chinese look in Duma? Only Russians can have a good job in Moscow's companies. You can meet genuine Tatars there as well, but you can be sure they are not CEO's. Actually I mentioned Tatars as an example. I know a few Tatars who live in Poland. And I know Tatars are Tatars and they would like to have own country if they could. In the past they were a big nation. Putin is talking about NATO, but Nato actually encourages those minorities to stand for their rights. Russia is a federation and they are afraid of further divisions. These small nations are fed up with Russia. What do they get in return? Many new small countries that run away from Russia in 1990 are doing much better than they would under Russian supervision. Georgia is a perfect example how the former republic is "doing well". In fact NO post-Soviet country is any better than Russia, (except three Baltic mongrels) and we, the CIS, would be better off if we join our integrational efforts. [/quote] Why do you call those 3 Baltic countries mongrels? Don't they diserve own independencies? OK, Georgia has some problems, I agree, but it shouldn't be Russian problem. They have to handle their problems democratic way and themselves, perhaps with some help of international observers. Good examples are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. They went even further and joined NATO and EU. Ahem. Billions of Western monies pumped into these dwarfs for the loyality to the Western masters. They are the same olygarchic regimes like their former sisters in the East. Tell your stories to 14-years-old-teenagers. They are not loyal to their westrn masters, they are loyal to themselves. They have chosen freedom. Russians consider Georgia as a big problem, they do not know how to handle it. And other nations see it and they would like to get own freedom. On conterary Putin tells them that NATO is very bad and dangerous. He needs to say that, because these other small nations would like to follow Former Baltic States. If Tatars wanted their independency they would become Russians' enemies and need to fall into NATO arms. So Putin is trying to keep whole Russia in 1 hand otherwise it would fall apart.
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philY Georgia is a perfect example of mismanagement. Impoverished nation, broken apart, widely supported by Euros and Yanks and pigeon-holed as a show-case of Democracy to the near-by countries is under crisis. Saakashvili is oppressing opposition, driving away anti-government demonstrations, shutting up TVchannels, persecuting businessmen and finally endorse "state of emergency", in which conditions the new elections are called on, may I ask you what are you talking about? What the heck NATO has to do with Georgian economy and domestic stability? Tatars must feel happy with Russia, don't you think? Ethnical Tatars are not ready to have own country. They all are spread around the world now. I doubt they would like settle down in one place, it is not their nature. It was just the example. Georgia. I was talking about the past. Many nations looked up to Georgia and they thought Georgia could do it, they could do it too. I agree, now Georgia has a big mess, but we will see. Greetings philY |
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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2007, 08:39:29 AM » |
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Funny, but a chechen is main ideologist of Kremlin: not many people abroad know him in fact, but his name is Vladislav Surkov, who is really Aslanbek Dudaev. He is the author of Putin's "Sovereign democracy", National projects and ideologist of the United Russia. Putin's speech at famous Munich conference was writen under Surkov's supervision  I would also like to add, that it is very naive and old that NATO or whoever.. cares about ethnic minorities in Russia. Since when military alliances encourage struggle for human rights of ethnic minorities? I have never seen or heared about any NATO declarations or documents, that could help peoples of Russia in their difficult life. But instead i've heared enough about Brzezhinsky's dreams to split Russia up to several republics. Aren't they tired of that, huh?? |
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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2007, 06:53:24 PM » |
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I would also like to add, that it is very naive and old that NATO or whoever.. cares about ethnic minorities in Russia.
True, they do not care. I do, so I would like everybody to be happy. I have never seen or heared about any NATO declarations or documents, that could help peoples of Russia in their difficult life. But instead i've heared enough about Brzezhinsky's dreams to split Russia up to several republics. Aren't they tired of that, huh??
Brzezhinsky is a different case. He just wants Russia to be weaker. He doesn't like commies, he hates Putin, he hated Chrustchev, etc. On another hand Putin wants to have strong Russia and I understand him, it is his job. Our region's job is to fight back and defend our position. Poland, Baltic Countries, Czechy, Slovakia are in between of this fight... I am very happy Russia has no influence on this region anymore. They still want to control it somehow for instance with oil or earth gas. Greetings philY |
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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2007, 08:17:25 PM » |
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I would also like to add, that it is very naive and old that NATO or whoever.. cares about ethnic minorities in Russia.
True, they do not care. I do, so I would like everybody to be happy. I have never seen or heared about any NATO declarations or documents, that could help peoples of Russia in their difficult life. But instead i've heared enough about Brzezhinsky's dreams to split Russia up to several republics. Aren't they tired of that, huh??
Brzezhinsky is a different case. He just wants Russia to be weaker. He doesn't like commies, he hates Putin, he hated Chrustchev, etc. On another hand Putin wants to have strong Russia and I understand him, it is his job. Our region's job is to fight back and defend our position. Poland, Baltic Countries, Czechy, Slovakia are in between of this fight... I am very happy Russia has no influence on this region anymore. They still want to control it somehow for instance with oil or earth gas. Greetings philY Brzezhinsky is another Kissinger-a pompous ass who wants to run the world. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2007, 08:20:25 PM » |
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Only Russians can have a good job in Moscow's companies. not really. Anyone can. As long as u're loyal to particular people (more than particular principles). Jews traditionally have a good piece of shares in Rus companies; Tatars are among the most successful businessmen (or should it be "biznes-mne" ; "business-to-me" in Rus?). A few Chechen families control a good piece of the hotel business in Maaskva. What matters is loyalty to the boss. a chechen is main ideologist of Kremlin he's Chechen? A few years ago Pavlovsky was the state ideologue; what happened to this prophetic technologue? Nato actually encourages those minorities to stand for their rights. NATO doesn't give a scheise about those minorities, let this be written with the blood of Chechen children on the Crime-lin walls. Brzezhinsky's dreams Zbieg is as far from the US decision-making as Ralph Nader or Mick Jagger. Zbieg represents himself and a group of intellectuals, and now possibly Obama, - no one else. On Palestine, on Iraq, on Iran he's on the opposite side of the neosons and the Bushist company. |
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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2007, 08:32:42 PM » |
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A question for Oswald, Green or anyone familiar with Russian politics. What is Putin's position in terms of economic policy/taxation and social spending?
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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2007, 09:15:41 PM » |
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Our region's job is to fight back and defend our position. Poland, Baltic Countries, Czechy, Slovakia are in between of this fight... I am very happy Russia has no influence on this region anymore. They still want to control it somehow for instance with oil or earth gas.
There is just a strategy of separate oil/gas supply for each of the european countries. I understand that it could some day give Russia an instrument to manipulate Europe. But there is no unity in Europe even without Russia's involvment.. Anyway, i think it is being made because of too.. enthusiastic pro-american position of the countries you named (Poland, baltic..). It could somehow limit american influence on foreign policy of those states towards Russia. In fact i think, that US and Russia still have the same methods, but americans use aircraft carriers and russians prefer pipelines. I don't understand when one says that "Russia uses its resourses in her political goals". Who's political goals should Russia's resourses serve then?? |
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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2007, 12:00:58 AM » |
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There are ethinical Tatars and citizens of Tatar Republic. It is a big difference. The same with Chechens. Have you ever seen anybody with some Chinese look in Duma? Only Russians can have a good job in Moscow's companies. You can meet genuine Tatars there as well, but you can be sure they are not CEO's. Actually I mentioned Tatars as an example. Yeah, you are absolutely right. Tatars are citizens of Tatarstan, not Russia. They have different passports, rights and constitution totally different from the Federal one.  Try to google Ralif Safin or Vagit Alekperov or Iskander Makhmudov or German Khan or Mikhail Gutseriyev or Alisher Usmanov or Ural Rakhimov, even better open a Forbes Richest 100 List and enjoy it. Sure, they are not Tatars, but I hope Allah will bless Tatars in other positions.  OK, Georgia has some problems, I agree, but it shouldn't be Russian problem. They have to handle their problems democratic way and themselves, perhaps with some help of international observers. I don't believe in "independence", "democracy" , "freedom" . It's just dust in the eye. Georgia is the fastest militarising country in the world. Their huge oil-transition incomes are spent on weaponry and military related issues. Add to that attacks on peacekeepers in Abkhazia (who are doing under UN mandate) and we will have a new Caucasian war in one second. |
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A question for Oswald, Green or anyone familiar with Russian politics. What is Putin's position in terms of economic policy/taxation and social spending?
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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2007, 09:15:05 AM » |
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Putin's position in terms of economic policy/taxation rightwing by European measures; strange mix by American standards; rightwing by Russian. Russia has flat tax on individuals at 13%, which is extreme right by Western measures. 24% corporate tax (35% in US). But universal healthcare (which is self-evident necessity everywhere but US). I'm not sure if they still have free higher education. http://www.worldwide-tax.com/index.asp#partthree |
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« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2007, 11:35:20 AM » |
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Putin's position in terms of economic policy/taxation rightwing by European measures; strange mix by American standards; rightwing by Russian. Russia has flat tax on individuals at 13%, which is extreme right by Western measures. 24% corporate tax (35% in US). But universal healthcare (which is self-evident necessity everywhere but US). I'm not sure if they still have free higher education. http://www.worldwide-tax.com/index.asp#partthreeSounds Social Fascistic to me. Putin's greatness is boundless. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2007, 04:14:24 PM » |
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Thanks Peis, that seems about right. That tax index is a great resource by the way.
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