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« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2007, 07:48:38 PM »

I'm not sure if they still have free higher education.
They do. Each state university has about 1 payed student to 4 who are studying free of charge (i'm one of them Smiley).
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« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2007, 10:21:31 AM »

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Sounds Social Fascistic to me. Putin's greatness is boundless.

just about the time to learn that Putin's economic policies were defined by the liberal figures of Yeltsin's era; Putin's contribution here is zero. One of the minds behind Putin's economic policy is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Illarionov

who, as u see, now works in the US after declaring that Russia became a dictatorship. The entire liberal economic platform which Putin adopted is a fruit of the Gaidar-Chubais school, which, in turn, followed the Polish and Czech examples. Putin's role is simply that he didn't reverse the economic reforms that finally began to bear results shortly before Putin's ascension.
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« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2007, 11:10:26 AM »

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Sounds Social Fascistic to me. Putin's greatness is boundless.

just about the time to learn that Putin's economic policies were defined by the liberal figures of Yeltsin's era; Putin's contribution here is zero. One of the minds behind Putin's economic policy is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Illarionov

who, as u see, now works in the US after declaring that Russia became a dictatorship. The entire liberal economic platform which Putin adopted is a fruit of the Gaidar-Chubais school, which, in turn, followed the Polish and Czech examples. Putin's role is simply that he didn't reverse the economic reforms that finally began to bear results shortly before Putin's ascension.

One trait of a good leader is to know when to interfere and when not to.

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« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2007, 11:20:22 AM »

4 the time wasted to post enormous number of nonsensical messages, u could do some exercises to make yar arse < Micheal Moore
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« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2007, 11:24:15 AM »

4 the time wasted to post enormous number of nonsensical messages, u could do some exercises to make yar arse < Micheal Moore

Being called nonsensical by you is like being called ugly by a wart hog! laugh Tongue

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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2007, 12:29:14 PM »

day will come and warthogs and other animals will call yar names,,, u goin right towards it,,,

now time for cake aye?
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« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2007, 12:49:14 PM »

day will come and warthogs and other animals will call yar names,,, u goin right towards it,,,

now time for cake aye?

Nay. It is probably poison.

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« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2007, 02:57:26 PM »

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One trait of a good leader is to know when to interfere and when not to.

a truly fascist leader is not the one who does the things but the one who enables the nation to synergistically taskforce. Appropriate people fulfill appropriate functions. In that, fascism becomes a perfected societal synergy. And that is precisely where we are heading in the West. So the detested by Oswald Brussels bureaucracy, unelected, unrepresentative and unaccountable, is the prototype of the  fascist decision-making entity of the future. Democracy is being redefined as ochlocracy. Citizens have fallen too far behind scientists in comprehending how the world, the economy, the psyche, how their own bodies work. Citizens can no longer be allowed to make decisions about their personal lives, for those decisions are uninformed. Citizens, with their rather meager cognizant tools, do not see how their decisions harm themselves and thus undermine the all-precious synergy of society. Therefore, citizens will surrender the decision-making prerogatives to governments, who are permanently kept up-to-date with the world by the scientists. Fascism is our future, like it or not.
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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2007, 03:11:18 PM »

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One trait of a good leader is to know when to interfere and when not to.

a truly fascist leader is not the one who does the things but the one who enables the nation to synergistically taskforce. Appropriate people fulfill appropriate functions. In that, fascism becomes a perfected societal synergy. And that is precisely where we are heading in the West. So the detested by Oswald Brussels bureaucracy, unelected, unrepresentative and unaccountable, is the prototype of the  fascist decision-making entity of the future. Democracy is being redefined as ochlocracy. Citizens have fallen too far behind scientists in comprehending how the world, the economy, the psyche, how their own bodies work. Citizens can no longer be allowed to make decisions about their personal lives, for those decisions are uninformed. Citizens, with their rather meager cognizant tools, do not see how their decisions harm themselves and thus undermine the all-precious synergy of society. Therefore, citizens will surrender the decision-making prerogatives to governments, who are permanently kept up-to-date with the world by the scientists. Fascism is our future, like it or not.

We could have a worse future.

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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2007, 10:01:03 PM »

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One trait of a good leader is to know when to interfere and when not to.

a truly fascist leader is not the one who does the things but the one who enables the nation to synergistically taskforce. Appropriate people fulfill appropriate functions. In that, fascism becomes a perfected societal synergy. And that is precisely where we are heading in the West. So the detested by Oswald Brussels bureaucracy, unelected, unrepresentative and unaccountable, is the prototype of the  fascist decision-making entity of the future. Democracy is being redefined as ochlocracy. Citizens have fallen too far behind scientists in comprehending how the world, the economy, the psyche, how their own bodies work. Citizens can no longer be allowed to make decisions about their personal lives, for those decisions are uninformed. Citizens, with their rather meager cognizant tools, do not see how their decisions harm themselves and thus undermine the all-precious synergy of society. Therefore, citizens will surrender the decision-making prerogatives to governments, who are permanently kept up-to-date with the world by the scientists. Fascism is our future, like it or not.
You miss one point here.
That the society is ruled by scientists and it, eventually, consists of scientists, particular specialists which may not be incorporated into government structures.
Where is fascism?
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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2007, 10:09:43 PM »

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Sounds Social Fascistic to me. Putin's greatness is boundless.

just about the time to learn that Putin's economic policies were defined by the liberal figures of Yeltsin's era; Putin's contribution here is zero. One of the minds behind Putin's economic policy is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Illarionov

who, as u see, now works in the US after declaring that Russia became a dictatorship. The entire liberal economic platform which Putin adopted is a fruit of the Gaidar-Chubais school, which, in turn, followed the Polish and Czech examples. Putin's role is simply that he didn't reverse the economic reforms that finally began to bear results shortly before Putin's ascension.
Good riddance. Do you call a success harsh demographic crisis and total oppression of social insitutions?
What the hell of Polish and Czech examples are you talking about? Privatization a la Chubais?
Total deindustrialization and capital flight is the result of your phucking liberal reforms. Ask your Polish friends did they experience anything similar? Only a slight form of recession, eh.
Don't talk about things you don't get, mister.
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« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2007, 09:20:51 AM »

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Sounds Social Fascistic to me. Putin's greatness is boundless.

just about the time to learn that Putin's economic policies were defined by the liberal figures of Yeltsin's era; Putin's contribution here is zero. One of the minds behind Putin's economic policy is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Illarionov

who, as u see, now works in the US after declaring that Russia became a dictatorship. The entire liberal economic platform which Putin adopted is a fruit of the Gaidar-Chubais school, which, in turn, followed the Polish and Czech examples. Putin's role is simply that he didn't reverse the economic reforms that finally began to bear results shortly before Putin's ascension.
Good riddance. Do you call a success harsh demographic crisis and total oppression of social insitutions?
What the hell of Polish and Czech examples are you talking about? Privatization a la Chubais?
Total deindustrialization and capital flight is the result of your phucking liberal reforms. Ask your Polish friends did they experience anything similar? Only a slight form of recession, eh.
Don't talk about things you don't get, mister.


Good riddance indeed. Great post, Green!

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« Reply #57 on: November 23, 2007, 02:37:27 PM »

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society is ruled by scientists

scientists are ruled by government.

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total oppression of social insitutions?

collapse. not oppression.

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capital flight is the result

eh? There was no capital by the beginning of the reforms. How much capital ther was in 1990? 1980?  The country was OUTDATED (compared to West) in every dimension except military. Industry, communications, infrastructure, housing, most of all, - minds, everything was OBSOLETE. I remember though I was young. Many of my friends had to wait for DECADES to get separate hosing, living meanwhile in 'obschezhitiya" or "kommunalki". U had to wait for YEARS to get a home phone. People waited for YEARS on a queue to buy a car. There was not enough of anything, except supersonic jets and ballistic missiles. Tell your Ali Baba tales to Westerners who were not there in the USSR. SLow outdated repressive closed secretive totalitarian society with obsolete industry and perpetually malfunctioning infrastructure. Chernobyl was the outcome. The coal mines STILL blow up every few months killing 20-50-70 men at a time. What CAPITAL you're talking about? Capital only began arriving after the reforms commenced. The government screwed up , and the capital flew. Then came back.

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Ask your Polish friends did they experience anything similar?

why should they? They did it the Polish way. You did it the Russian way. Ask my Polish friends? OK, I'll ALSO ask them about the Kollectivization, the Industrialization, the Big Chistka (Cleansing), the GOLODOMOR of 1933 in my Ukraine that killed 3 or 5 or 8 MILLION. ALSO about GULAG and NKVD-KGB, about people getting arrested because of something they wrote in a paper and shot through the head  in a basement. All this crap my Polish friends did NOT have. They also did NOT have the a-la-Choob-ice stuff. Why would they? They did it the Polish way, you did it your Russian way..

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Don't talk about things you don't get, mister.

don't do the things u can't, komrade.
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« Reply #58 on: November 23, 2007, 06:59:49 PM »

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society is ruled by scientists

scientists are ruled by government.
Government consists of scientists. Society has scientists and laymen. Scientists and laymen are ruled by scientists in the government.

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total oppression of social insitutions?

collapse. not oppression.
Oppression. Opression by phantoms of "freedom", "democracy" and their brainwashed adherents.

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capital flight is the result

eh? There was no capital by the beginning of the reforms. How much capital ther was in 1990? 1980?  .
Capital appeared and left the country the very moment it appeared. The more money Westerners pumped in the economy the more money flew, leaving the country in debt to IMF and other globalized "freedom-thinkers".

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The country was OUTDATED (compared to West) in every dimension except military. Industry, communications, infrastructure, housing, most of all, - minds, everything was OBSOLETE. I remember though I was young. Many of my friends had to wait for DECADES to get separate hosing, living meanwhile in 'obschezhitiya" or "kommunalki". U had to wait for YEARS to get a home phone. People waited for YEARS on a queue to buy a car.

Yeah, minds have become really MODERN. Boundaries were opened and drugs had flown into the cities, just a few years the Soviet Army left Afghanistan. AIDS reached the level of medieval epidemy. Though, you can easily buy a phone to order a new dose.
Or you can wait on a queue for a few months to buy a new Ford instead of "obsolete" Volga.
Or you are indebted to pay your lifetime for the morgaged flat.
Shilo-na-mylo.

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There was not enough of anything, except supersonic jets and ballistic missiles.
Well, privatisation and so-called "reforms" in the sphere of hi-tech left the country without edge. Too much time passed. Add to that brain-drain. It takes finance of government corporations to eliminate the gap.

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Tell your Ali Baba tales to Westerners who were not there in the USSR. SLow outdated repressive closed secretive totalitarian society with obsolete industry and perpetually malfunctioning infrastructure.

Tell your capitalistic paradise fairytales to those ex-USSR countries whose enterprises were kicked out of industrial chain of Union's "system of cooperation" and finally lost jobs.

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Chernobyl was the outcome.
Yup, Chernobyl as it turned out wasn't that horrible as it was thought in the moment. Who tells you that today other reactors are managed any better in Orange Ukraine?
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The coal mines STILL blow up every few months killing 20-50-70 men at a time.

Really? Links, please.

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What CAPITAL you're talking about? Capital only began arriving after the reforms commenced. The government screwed up , and the capital flew. Then came back.

The Yeltsin's government did all what was told by Western Big (oil) business, IMF and other shyt-eaters. So there's direct responsibility of the West in what happened here in the 90s.

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Ask your Polish friends did they experience anything similar?

why should they? They did it the Polish way. You did it the Russian way. Ask my Polish friends? OK, I'll ALSO ask them about the Kollectivization, the Industrialization, the Big Chistka (Cleansing),

Why wouldn't you also ask your Polish friends about massive tortures of Soviet prisoners of war in the 20s then?

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the GOLODOMOR of 1933 in my Ukraine that killed 3 or 5 or 8 MILLION.

Your Ukraine? Small episode in the great history of the Chosen people? Ha-ha. So how many? 3 or 5 or 8? How many of them were Russian?
Hohlomor was just a part of Great Hunger that happened in ALL bread-producing regions including North Kazakhstan and Volga banks. Taking into account that Volga's banks were populated by Germans, let's call it an anti-German genocide.

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ALSO about GULAG and NKVD-KGB, about people getting arrested because of something they wrote in a paper and shot through the head  in a basement. All this crap my Polish friends did NOT have.

Don't be too sure. Wink
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They also did NOT have the a-la-Choob-ice stuff. Why would they? They did it the Polish way, you did it your Russian way..
They did it polished way because the West carried out anti-Russian Plan of Dalles.

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don't do the things u can't, komrade.
Don't write about things you think I can't do.
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« Reply #59 on: November 23, 2007, 08:11:34 PM »

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Government consists of scientists.

government consists of showmen. Democratic government consists of showmen, autocratic government consists of thugs. They employ scientists for various purposes, decide which areas of research are priority, where the funds go, etc. If the US gov consisted of scientists, it would have a very different policy on every single issue, - Iraq, global warming, stem cells research, "intelligent design" taught at schools, etc. How many people u throw into violent laughter by this phrase...

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Opression by phantoms of "freedom",

yea sure yea. No one cared about oppressing your post-Soviet "institutions"; they simply collapsed. Too much trouble to oppress them. Same happened in 1917. WHo was at fault then?

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drugs had flown into the cities

Russians always see their own crap as someone's conspiracy. Ye rright, the CIA and Armenian mafia came to Russia and put everyone on the needle. Couldn't handle so much freedom ,eh? You need the daddy to knock u on the head and tell you not to mess with drugs. You don't have enough brains to make this decision for yourselves.

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just a few years the Soviet Army left Afghanistan.

?! Typical Russian. So u need to OCCUPY a country to make sure YOUR people don't consume drugs made in this country? You have to keep 120 000 soldiers in Afghanistan so that kids in Moscow don't take Afghan heroin? Are there any other methods to cut the supply of Afghan drugs to Russia maybe? Think about it when u have free time from attending pro-Pooting demonstrations organized by your university dean.

And BTW, I know all too well, due to familiarity with a few heroin-addicts in Ukraine that most stuff in this part of the world is made DOMESTICALLY from DOMESTIC INDIGENOUS SLAVIC POPPY. Fancy foreign drugs are for fancy people with money.

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left the country without edge.

and what was that hi tech outside of the military area? Zaporozhets? Anyone who lived a few years in Sovok knows that Soviet technology, whether automotive, TV, and most of consumer items, was hopeless. Some good photocameras were produced. "Otechestvennoye" (domestically produced) was a synonym of low-quality. And even it was in deficiency. People tried to use their WWII veteran relatives to get a car because veterans had a fast-track waiting "only" 3-4 years.

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you can easily buy a phone to order a new dose.

or you can buy a phone to order pizza (unheard of in Sovok). See, that's the problem with you Russians,  you have a choice to buy heroin or pizza, you chose heroin and blame Americans for your own choice. And want to occupy a country from which the heroin comes. Go back to Afghanistan, you can fight there both Afghans and Americans, everyone is waiting. The other day you lashed at Americans because...Russia accepted American education test system. U said it was crap. Well, if it's crap - don't take it, don't imitate it, don't parrot it. But no, with u it's all America's fault. Learn to be responsible for your own actions, tovarisch.

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you are indebted to pay your lifetime for the morgaged flat.

that's true. The curse of Western existence, paying the mort-gage until you're 60. And yet... it all comes to what share of your income you pay. Most Westerners pay a significant but not a crippling part of their income, have a comfortable housing (beyond comparison with what most people have in Russia), and still have money to buy other things and afford vacations in Bahamas.

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Really? Links, please.


http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=mine+Russia+explosion&meta=


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kicked out of industrial chain

and whose fault was it? They produced things that could not bear competition. But anyway, do you know how many jobs the West loses to China and India and Lat America all the time?

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the Chosen people?

find a single episode where i even distantly implied anything "Chosen" about Ukraine or even expressed pride or smth/

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The Yeltsin's government did all what was told by Western

oh mama. Here u go. Yeltsin was told to bomb Chechnya by the West? He was told to spend huge money on his residence rennovations by the West? He was dictated the terms of privatization by the West? He was told to drink vodka while on state visit to Germany by the West? He was told to bomb the Parliament in '93 by the West? Do u know how much money the USSR owned to the West? USSR, not Yeltsin, had made huge debts.
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