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Author Topic: Beware Of Unipolar World-Putin  (Read 1798 times)
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« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2007, 02:46:07 AM »

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Government consists of scientists.

government consists of showmen. Democratic government consists of showmen, autocratic government consists of thugs. They employ scientists for various purposes, decide which areas of research are priority, where the funds go, etc. If the US gov consisted of scientists, it would have a very different policy on every single issue, - Iraq, global warming, stem cells research, "intelligent design" taught at schools, etc. How many people u throw into violent laughter by this phrase...
I don't hear any laughter here caused by my assumption. Sorry, bud.
You say autocratic government consists of thugs, while democratic one doesn't. Well,I can't fully agree. It's a moot point.
In Russia experts/scientists are both hired for or work in the government. Ever tried to verify what are their diplomas?
Just take a look how tensely Putin pouring forth stats, numbers, trends. In PR it's called "apeal to mind". Sometimes it works together with "apeal to emotions" when he tells political jokes, for instance.

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Opression by phantoms of "freedom",

yea sure yea. No one cared about oppressing your post-Soviet "institutions"; they simply collapsed. Too much trouble to oppress them. Same happened in 1917. WHo was at fault then?

They didn't collapsed, once again. They were oppressed. Let's take a "family" institution. It didn't fully disappeared. Though the number of divorces had increased, birthrates had fell, it is still here. The other side was growth of orphanage.


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drugs had flown into the cities

Russians always see their own crap as someone's conspiracy. Ye rright, the CIA and Armenian mafia came to Russia and put everyone on the needle. Couldn't handle so much freedom ,eh? You need the daddy to knock u on the head and tell you not to mess with drugs. You don't have enough brains to make this decision for yourselves.
"Hurricane Katrina is a new Russian meteo weapon".
I have no doubt that CIA and State Department are keeping Russia under their Big Eye. And the recent reaction to Kasparov detention proves my point just excellent.
As for drugs, you know, teenagers is the first and foremost group that falls into hands of drug-dealers everywhere, Russia is no exception. It takes social programs to save them. Progams take money. Money are stolen by IMF. Democracy is thriving in full blast. Like cancer.
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just a few years the Soviet Army left Afghanistan.


?! Typical Russian. So u need to OCCUPY a country to make sure YOUR people don't consume drugs made in this country? You have to keep 120 000 soldiers in Afghanistan so that kids in Moscow don't take Afghan heroin? Are there any other methods to cut the supply of Afghan drugs to Russia maybe? Think about it when u have free time from attending pro-Pooting demonstrations organized by your university dean.
Well, the country is occupied by NATO now. Drugs "made in Afghanistan" is on hike everywhere including Canada.
Maybe, my dean will be happy to know that I don't take drugs and vote for President I respect.

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And BTW, I know all too well, due to familiarity with a few heroin-addicts in Ukraine that most stuff in this part of the world is made DOMESTICALLY from DOMESTIC INDIGENOUS SLAVIC POPPY. Fancy foreign drugs are for fancy people with money.
How much puppy can he grow on his sill at home? Enough for one dose, maybe.

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left the country without edge.

and what was that hi tech outside of the military area? Zaporozhets? Anyone who lived a few years in Sovok knows that Soviet technology, whether automotive, TV, and most of consumer items, was hopeless. Some good photocameras were produced. "Otechestvennoye" (domestically produced) was a synonym of low-quality. And even it was in deficiency. People tried to use their WWII veteran relatives to get a car because veterans had a fast-track waiting "only" 3-4 years.
Zaporozhets? Why not? In the price/quality category it could fight for some nice niche among producers. Since Putin said it was his first car he bought for his savings of KGB lieutenant, the bolide could make a hit.
Anyway, Zapor plant is now Ukranian independent enterprise and it's their Ukro problem. Russian VAZ managed to open a plant for spare parts in Cuba last year. Chinese cars are also not the best in the world but they have a good sell. "Great Wall" is about to open a branch here.

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« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2007, 03:01:11 PM »

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How much puppy can he grow on his sill at home?

who he? Thousands did that. I remember pretty well, the "poppy season" comes and drug addicts make deals with poppy growers. Local ones.

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the number of divorces had increased, birthrates had fell

u talking Scandinavia? Marriage is getting exterminated there. Probably oppressed by IMF.

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Money are stolen by IMF.

as well as little children who are later sold to bordellos in Las Vegas.

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Democracy is thriving in full blast.

where? I thought we were speaking Russia.

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the country is occupied by NATO now. Drugs "made in Afghanistan" is on hike everywhere including Canada.

which kind of proves that occupying the country of origin does not solve the drug problems around the world. So what was your point about the drugs rampaging Russia after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghan?

The fact is that the criminal dictator Kuchma was totally unnecessary for any purpose on Earth, and Ukraine is doing pretty well without the bloody son of a bitch, and without all that frauds and falsifications and coercion that Kuchma used, and your irrational attachment to Putin is laughable because he didn't give you anything (besides maybe the deceitful sense of pride) while taking away a good deal of your political freedom.
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« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2007, 10:35:50 PM »

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How much puppy can he grow on his sill at home?

who he? Thousands did that. I remember pretty well, the "poppy season" comes and drug addicts make deals with poppy growers. Local ones.

So what you are openly saying is that Ukrainians grow poppy and sell it under the rule of Orange Government?
Did I get you right?
You see, here in cold Russia, poppy doesn't grow outside (probably, thanks to Putin's FSB and his "repressive" regime) as Ukraine is no exporter of heroin into Russia either. Afghanistan is.

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the number of divorces had increased, birthrates had fell

u talking Scandinavia? Marriage is getting exterminated there. Probably oppressed by IMF.
But their life span has Slavic trend?

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Democracy is thriving in full blast.

where? I thought we were speaking Russia.
Nowhere. Phantoms don't exist.

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the country is occupied by NATO now. Drugs "made in Afghanistan" is on hike everywhere including Canada.

which kind of proves that occupying the country of origin does not solve the drug problems around the world. So what was your point about the drugs rampaging Russia after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghan?
It's a proven fact that Soviet troops in Afghanistan stemmed drugs away.

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The fact is that the criminal dictator Kuchma was totally unnecessary for any purpose on Earth, and Ukraine is doing pretty well without the bloody son of a bitch, and without all that frauds and falsifications and coercion that Kuchma used, and your irrational attachment to Putin is laughable because he didn't give you anything (besides maybe the deceitful sense of pride) while taking away a good deal of your political freedom.

You know, compared to Ukrainian everyday political chaos, elections and re-elections, Russia looks pretty good. Putin didn't break ANY of fundemental Consistutional rights.
As for Kuchma, his economy was growing 11% a year. No orange politico can even dream of that.
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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2007, 02:40:31 PM »

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Ukrainians grow poppy and sell it under the rule of Orange Government?

my reminiscences related to late 80s - yearly 90s. But it was like this both before and after. Both in Russia and Ukraine.

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You see, here in cold Russia, poppy doesn't grow outside

so it grows in the tropical Kharkov where I saw it many times, but doesn't grow in the arctic Kuban' and Stavropol etc which are way to the south of Kharkov. It might not be the best type of poppy to produce opiates, but surely enough to cook some bullion to get high. Botanics, yet another area of your knowledge urgently requiring upgrade.

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heroin into Russia either. Afghanistan is.

i used to know people who were on needle, and none of them pricked heroin. They all used some dirty dangerous potion prepared from the local poppy. Real heroin in Russia is a luxury for the rich.

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But their life span has Slavic trend?

their life expectancy was way higher than the Soviet at all times. Don't tell me that vodka and pollution were brought to Russia by CIA.

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Soviet troops in Afghanistan stemmed drugs away.

well, then u know how to deal with the Colombian cocain. Put the boots on the ground, a "limited contingent" of 120,000 shall suffice. Same solution for the infamous Golden Triangle which will no doubt become the #1 opium-producer once Russian army eradicates Afghanistan. Same solution for any other problem u might have, like mass media criticism of Putin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Triangle_(Southeast_Asia)

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compared to Ukrainian everyday political chaos, elections and re-elections, Russia looks pretty good.

it's called "democracy", not "chaos". Elections and re-elections, and if need be, re-re-elections. Here in Canada pre-term elections and minority governments are a norm, and no one calls that "chaos".

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Putin didn't break ANY of fundemental Consistutional rights.

he changed the Costitution so that there are no more rights to breaks. Would u vouch for the fairness of the coming election in Russia? Honestly, do you really think there will be no coercion and pressure and "adminresurs" and fraud? Honestly?

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As for Kuchma, his economy was growing 11% a year.

the last year of his reign, due to the metallurgie world conjuncture. How much did it grow in 1995, 96, 97, etc etc. when he was in power.

Lastly, to break your heart, here's somehting for u to think about. In 2006, the Orange Ukraine, gripped by chaos, betrayal and incest, had 7.1%  GDP growth, without oil and gas and stuff, while the repared well-functioning Russia ruled by the wisest of rulers, full of oil, had 6.6%. So it looks like the Kuchmanoid old-farts were not a 'sine qua non' for economic growth, and the anarchistic oil-less Khokhly outperformed the humble and disciplined and full of oil Moskali, despite the crazy oil prices. Mysterious Slavic soul, soil and oil, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28real%29_growth_rate
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« Reply #64 on: December 22, 2007, 05:30:44 AM »


One doubts that other world leaders find them meaningless.

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So do I...b/c we are already living in a unipolar world.

Sadly, you may be right.

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May? No may about it.
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« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2007, 05:34:15 AM »

Since we are on the Soviet/African topic, The USSR pumped money into murderous regiemes during the cold war to keep the power balance at the expense of millions. That being said, Africa is the hardest hit region since the end of the cold war. The greatness of democracy (laugh it up) does not automatically mean riches, they are actually poorer now, 50+ yrs after colonialism than they were 20 yrs ago. As for Putin, I am an American, but I think Putin is a good leader, putting Russia back on the global power stage where it should rightfully be.
Good? Is that because those who oppose the established order just happen to "disappear" in Russia.
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« Reply #66 on: December 22, 2007, 05:40:11 AM »

Vladimir Putin is warning of threat of a unipolar world and promises to protect Russia. Unipolar world and one world all the same-world dominance., It is a warning all nations should head-including the U.S.! From Reuters.

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http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USL0449803320071104
Plenty have offered the warning, though I'd heed it despite Putin saying it, not because he has said so.
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« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2007, 09:41:21 AM »


One doubts that other world leaders find them meaningless.

OswaldTheOsprey

So do I...b/c we are already living in a unipolar world.

Sadly, you may be right.

OswaldTheOsprey
May? No may about it.

One of the worst features of today's world!

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