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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2007, 05:32:30 AM » |
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That's what drives me mad about American... they yell out loud against taxes, gun control and the Government, but let this things be done impunely to their children without as much as a second thought, let alone apply common sense.  And probably the same fuckturds proposing, writing and enforcing this rules will have the balls to claim it's wrong if Muslim girls cover their hair with a kerchief...  Yes, there are plenty that let things like this happen without a second thought. But there are plenty that don't. So you wide generalization misses the mark. As generalizations tend to do. |
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2007, 05:42:10 AM » |
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These are our kids' teachers, folks.
Public education has turned fairly recently into "eliminate any and all behavior which could possibly get us sued, no matter how innocuous" from an administration standpoint. This obsolves them from having to discern whether behavior is actually harmful or not. Heaven forbid they might actually have to put some thought into the decision making process. |
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2007, 06:03:23 AM » |
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These are our kids' teachers, folks.
Public education has turned fairly recently into "eliminate any and all behavior which could possibly get us sued, no matter how innocuous" from an administration standpoint. This obsolves them from having to discern whether behavior is actually harmful or not. Heaven forbid they might actually have to put some thought into the decision making process. You make a good point about being sued, because that is what's been fueling this. You can sue over anything and everything now, and many have taken advantage of that. So naturally, schools don't want to do anything that might be perceived by anyone as unsatisfactory. Perhaps if the judges in this country would stop letting these people get free handouts, the schools could step up and say that they don't want to enforce this. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2007, 06:05:48 AM » |
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Haha wow, that's messed up. I'm sure it was more meant towards the unnecessary make out sessions in the halls of high schools.
Haven't people ever heard of discretion?
I've been to schools that would give you a detention for holding hands and hugging...and that was back in the late 90s. This is nothing new and i don't know why its such a big deal...If its like the second grader in the Chicago suburbs then I can understand the hype, but the school isn't the place for PDA. If you are going to do it, then its a risk you take. and whoopty doo...a detention. I understand your point of it is just a detention, but it's not the punishment which is the problem, it's the message it sends to the students. If adults cannot think for themselves, how can we expect our kids to? |
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2007, 06:32:39 AM » |
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You make a good point about being sued, because that is what's been fueling this. You can sue over anything and everything now, and many have taken advantage of that. So naturally, schools don't want to do anything that might be perceived by anyone as unsatisfactory. Perhaps if the judges in this country would stop letting these people get free handouts, the schools could step up and say that they don't want to enforce this. That'd certainly be helpful. Another problem is tenure. Unsatisfactory performance usually means one will be seeking employment elsewhere. A teacher with tenure has a rather large lobby behind him/her that makes measurable dicipline against them damn near impossible. Giving parents more options would help. Competition might weed out the bad eggs. Don't like your current phone company? You switch. Not happy with service given at the mechanics shop? You take your business elsewhere. |
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2007, 07:12:41 AM » |
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More options would help, because most parents only have one option; whatever district their child is in. I grew up on in "grey area", three blocks that there part of two schools' district. I went to one, didn't like it, went to the other, didn't like it, and then I got lucky because there was an alternative school that was closer to my house than regular schools. Alternative schools are the way to go, IMO.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2007, 08:23:11 AM » |
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That's what drives me mad about American... they yell out loud against taxes, gun control and the Government, but let this things be done impunely to their children without as much as a second thought, let alone apply common sense. And probably the same fuckturds proposing, writing and enforcing this rules will have the balls to claim it's wrong if Muslim girls cover their hair with a kerchief... Have you ever even been to America? I love hearing people who've never even been to this country mouth off. |
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2007, 09:26:14 AM » |
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When I was in elementary school (a private Christian school in southern CA), I was actually told to hug this one girl. She started making fun of me on the playground, and we got to arguing, 3rd grade style.
A teacher heard us and made us say sorry and hug. I ended up kissing her behind the school building not too long after that.
Teachers these days are just player haters.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2007, 10:16:11 AM » |
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Political correctness and purity is getting to the point of nazism in schools and even in this country. This situation is simply ridiculous and shows that just about every aspect of society today is run by morons and the incompetent.
Its not purity. The same people who will give you graphic demonstrations of how to use a comdom will turn around and give you detention for hugging. Go ahead and do anything you want AWAY from school, just not here. Talk about mixed messages. What it boils down to is schools acting as parents becuasse parents won't do it for themselves. Combine that with small minded adminstrators making too little to do too much and you get this. At my school, way back in the late 80's I knew this was coming. We had a zero tolerences rule for substance abuse. The student class president was packing her lunch at home and was hurrying. When she got to school she realised that when she reached in the grab a diet coke, she instead grabbed one of her dads beers. She closed her lunch bag, walked straight to the school office just off the lunch room and turned it over unoppened. They suspended her for 3 days. Days she had finals which pontentially jepordized her scholarship propects. I knew then as a 18 year old senior, we were nearing anarchy. |
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2007, 10:21:37 AM » |
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That's what drives me mad about American... they yell out loud against taxes, gun control and the Government, but let this things be done impunely to their children without as much as a second thought, let alone apply common sense. And probably the same fuckturds proposing, writing and enforcing this rules will have the balls to claim it's wrong if Muslim girls cover their hair with a kerchief... Have you ever even been to America? I love hearing people who've never even been to this country mouth off. That's another thing... they always got a "it wasn't me!/shut up foreigner!" line for whenever their fellow citizens do something utterly stupid... If I see a dog crap on your sidewalk I say there's a dog crap on your sidewalk. Don't tell me it's not your dog's crap, or it's not your sidewalk, rather tell me what is your country doing so there are no dog craps on the sidewalks... got it? (In case you feel you're an smartass, there are dog craps on the sidewalks in Spain. Yet this is an American site, this is the US politics section, and the issue is something utterly stupid going on in America...) |
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2007, 11:02:39 AM » |
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That's what drives me mad about American... they yell out loud against taxes, gun control and the Government, but let this things be done impunely to their children without as much as a second thought, let alone apply common sense. And probably the same fuckturds proposing, writing and enforcing this rules will have the balls to claim it's wrong if Muslim girls cover their hair with a kerchief... Have you ever even been to America? I love hearing people who've never even been to this country mouth off. That's another thing... they always got a "it wasn't me!/shut up foreigner!" line for whenever their fellow citizens do something utterly stupid... If I see a dog crap on your sidewalk I say there's a dog crap on your sidewalk. Don't tell me it's not your dog's crap, or it's not your sidewalk, rather tell me what is your country doing so there are no dog craps on the sidewalks... got it? (In case you feel you're an smartass, there are dog craps on the sidewalks in Spain. Yet this is an American site, this is the US politics section, and the issue is something utterly stupid going on in America...) If I see a piece of crap on a sidewalk in Spain, I don't suddenly say "All of spain is covered in dog crap". You read one or two stories and think you know something. But the reality is you don't. Got it scarecrow? |
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2007, 11:07:36 AM » |
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These are our kids' teachers, folks.
Public education has turned fairly recently into "eliminate any and all behavior which could possibly get us sued, no matter how innocuous" from an administration standpoint. This obsolves them from having to discern whether behavior is actually harmful or not. Heaven forbid they might actually have to put some thought into the decision making process. The public education system is nothing more than a place for teachers to act as surrogate parents. As I always say, the break down of the family is one of the main causes of the edu system going down the drain. |
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2007, 11:35:10 AM » |
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Certainly I can agree with that.
As mentioned above, too many parents feel education(& dicipline) starts & stops at
the schools front door.
My wifes been teaching for better than a decade...& as a parent she
sees plenty at fault from both sides.
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2007, 11:44:23 AM » |
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Political correctness and purity is getting to the point of nazism in schools and even in this country. This situation is simply ridiculous and shows that just about every aspect of society today is run by morons and the incompetent.
Its not purity. The same people who will give you graphic demonstrations of how to use a comdom will turn around and give you detention for hugging. Go ahead and do anything you want AWAY from school, just not here. Talk about mixed messages. What it boils down to is schools acting as parents becuasse parents won't do it for themselves. Combine that with small minded adminstrators making too little to do too much and you get this. At my school, way back in the late 80's I knew this was coming. We had a zero tolerences rule for substance abuse. The student class president was packing her lunch at home and was hurrying. When she got to school she realised that when she reached in the grab a diet coke, she instead grabbed one of her dads beers. She closed her lunch bag, walked straight to the school office just off the lunch room and turned it over unoppened. They suspended her for 3 days. Days she had finals which pontentially jepordized her scholarship propects. I knew then as a 18 year old senior, we were nearing anarchy. Is that a true story? If it is true, that is just moronic. She did the right thing and was still punished. So typical. I remember seeing something about colonial America, where they studied records fo marriage and births and it showed a large percentage of women were pregnant when they got married. It was one of the most oppressive times in US history for "morals", yet still women were getting pregnant before they were married. Of course what most people fail to realize is what the main goals of education really are. 1947 -- The American Education Fellowship, formerly the Progressive Education Association, organized by John Dewey, calls for the: "...establishment of a genuine world order, an order in which national sovereignty is subordinate to world authority..." October, 1947 -- NEA Associate Secretary William Carr writes in the NEA Journal that teachers should: "...teach about the various proposals that have been made for the strengthening of the United Nations and the establishment of a world citizenship and world government." "The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all: it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality." -- H.L. Mencken "State education is a mere contrivance for molding people to be exactly alike one another, ...in proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism over the mind, leading by a natural tendency to one over the body." -- John Stuart Mill (1859) "Every child in America entering school at the age of five is insane because he comes to school with certain allegiances toward our Founding Fathers, toward his parents, toward belief in a supernatural being, toward sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity... It's up to you to make all these sick children well." -- Chester Pierce - Harvard University Psychology professor. |
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2007, 11:48:34 AM » |
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Certainly I can agree with that.
As mentioned above, too many parents feel education(& dicipline) starts & stops at
the schools front door.
My wifes been teaching for better than a decade...& as a parent she
sees plenty at fault from both sides.
Tough job being a teacher. She has my admiration. I can remember dealing with many teachers at step-daughters schools. They just actually didn't understand how to handle an involved parent. So many people just leave it to the school. |
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