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Author Topic: Oil Pushes Ever Higher - Crisis?  (Read 597 times)
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« on: November 07, 2007, 05:48:34 AM »

According to BBC from 07.11.07 the ever-weakening dollar and fresh worries about winter fuel supplies have sent US oil prices to $98 a barrel.
The effect was worsened by storms in the North Sea on Tuesday, which disrupted supply as prices inched closer to the $100-a-barrel mark.

Nonetheless, some analysts say that $100-a-barrel oil is inevitable.
The International Energy Agency has said that world production overall will peak between 2010 and 2020.

How will we be facing that?? Are governments investing enough in other alternative sources??
If the price of oil rises to more than $100 a barrel, will alternative energy sources become more popular?
I think we are not really concerned about the real problem and the way it will affect us...
"The real shock about today's oil shock is that it isn't a shock"
Think about it, maybe your children won’t be able to fly…

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2007, 01:29:53 PM »

 Can  any one explain why this is in the inferno?
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2007, 11:17:29 AM »

Title in full block letters maybe.

It's a good topic. I'm going to move it to an appropriate location.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 11:20:30 AM »

Then if that is why you think it was trashed, are you going to fix that?
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 01:42:50 AM »

i trashed it for ALL CAPS.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2007, 02:12:03 PM »

IMO Oil can still double from current levels and poeple in the west still drive their car as if nothing happened. We have no choice unless that becomes realy crazy expensive.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 03:04:15 PM »

you always have choice...whether or not its convenient, now that's a different problem. The west will never curb their tires until rapid transit become easily accessible.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2007, 10:03:07 PM »

you always have choice...whether or not its convenient, now that's a different problem. The west will never curb their tires until rapid transit become easily accessible.

I was talking about this with my dad, and he made a pretty good point, which is surprising cause he's not usually political.

He said Europe isn't having as big of an oil crisis because their public transportation infustructure was in place and popular BEFORE the car became readily acessible. Meanwhile, in America, the car came before mass transit.

I thought it was an interesting point.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2007, 02:44:36 AM »

that is true, in addition, Europeans elected to tax gas at 50% to subsidize the development of public transit, we don't do that in the USA. They pay around $7/gallon compared to our $3/gallon.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2007, 05:14:00 AM »

Relative population densities in Europe vs. America make this discussion apples vs. oranges.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2007, 12:36:59 PM »

Maybe our (european) public transportations are more developed than in the US but using them as an alternative to car is not that much easier than in the US.
It's still impossible for 90% of poeple to go take the bus because car is too expensive: They would take two hours where by car, it would take 20 minutes. For many commuters and for most of the poeple living in the outskirt, it's unfeasable.
Workers would have to leave home at 4 am and be back home at 10 pm if they had to give up cars.

It's not much the slowliness of the busses, it's the time you wait for them and the time you have to walk to and from the bus stop. If you have to take a bus + a train or a bus + a bus, you easily take more than one hour and half for a ridiculous mileage.
In such situation, you can't go to the bakery buy a bread and be back for dinner.

Also "europe" doesn't tax gas "50%" to fund public transports. Gas taxes are usualy used for roads.
That means that a higher number of cars and gas consumption didn't bring more funds to the public transport system.

Abraxas'dad is right however if we consider Eastern europe, which is completely different from western europe as public transport traditions is concerned.

In Eastern europe, after the fall of the communism, a very effective an inexpensive, yet private and profitable network of microbuses (12~15 passengers "marchrouteki") took place very quickely. Poeple didn't have cars and they developed this mean of transportation unkown in the West.
This was developed before cars became popular.



Millions of poeple still use them today in eastern europe and it's cheaper than having a car.
Microbuses drive fast (sometimes quite in sportively) and drop you anywhere you want between or at busstops. (When I say "drop" it's literaly because they realy lose no time).

The West (europe like US) could solve part of their transportation problem by sponsoring this type of vehicle. But for some reason, the superbly ignore it and prefer thinking about huge infrastructural projects costing billions.
Huge projects are not bad but a fleet of one thousand microbuses would not cost even a tiny fraction of these project and would be operative immediately.

As we are talking about solution, there is no chance at all that a policitician read this.

 


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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2007, 12:23:39 PM »

That actually sounds like a good idea, Fredledingue. I lived in Delaware all my life where public transportation is a system of 6 busses that go from our biggest city (Wilmington) to the only mall in the state (20 miles away) to the suburbs of the county.

All in all, it drives MAYBE 50 miles.

By contrast, I go to college in New York City where the public transportation system is nothing short of astounding. It's also MUCH easier to understand than people make it out to be. I've seen both sides of the spectrum, and I still think a larger public system would be a great way to not only reduce oil consumption, but congestion and the potential for accidents.

I mean, a public system sucks if you only need to go down the street, but that's when you car pool or bike.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 07:57:25 AM »

In the long term Oil will NEVER be, on average, cheaper. Oil is a finite resource and will reach peak production within the next 50 years.  That means that no matter what happens oil prices will on average steadily rise until it is so expensive that it is not worth to produce it. There IS a crisis, the question is whether or not we can prevent most of the damage it will cause.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2008, 05:48:50 AM »

it can be cheaper only when its demand plummets...which is possible but not likely.
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