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Author Topic: Oil spill in San Francisco  (Read 2243 times)
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« on: November 09, 2007, 07:11:53 AM »

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SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Dozens of dead and injured seabirds found coated in black goo are the most visible victims of a 58,000-gallon oil spill in the San Francisco Bay, an incident that scientists say could threaten wildlife for years.

The spill has fouled miles of coastline and had environmentalists scrambling Friday to save the bay's birds, fish, invertebrates and marine mammals.

"The effects of the oil spill could persist for months and possibly years," said Tina Swanson, a fish biologist with the Bay Institute.

Questions persisted about why the Coast Guard took so long to report the scope of the spill.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/09/bay.spill.ap/index.html

So how many oil spills in the US does this make? And I'm also a little curious as to why the Coast Guard didn't act on reporting this immediately.
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2007, 09:44:14 AM »

Holy crap.  How do these things still happen?  I thought that these tankers have layers upon layers of thick steel to make sure that the precious stuff doesn't leak everywhere.  Was it because it was a Korean ship?

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2007, 10:31:16 AM »

No one seems to learn from what happened at Prince William Sound....
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2007, 10:43:15 AM »

Holy crap.  How do these things still happen?  I thought that these tankers have layers upon layers of thick steel to make sure that the precious stuff doesn't leak everywhere.  Was it because it was a Korean ship?



The plating of a typical tanker is about 1 inch thick. The loading and unloading punishes the ship's frame in such way that tankers are considered old at 15 years. Yet it's usual that they sail for 25 years before being in such shape that they litherally fall apart and no longer can be patched together for yet another trip. Of course, the last 10 years are full of misery and decay, and it's when most accidents/incidents happen.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2007, 10:57:13 AM »

Shouldn't it be common sense to get a new ship after 15 years, so people can avoid screwing up the oceans more?
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 11:20:05 AM »

Tankers should have double hulls so this does not happen.  The korean ship should be held accountable.

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In 1992 MARPOL was amended to make it mandatory for tankers of 5,000 dwt and more ordered after 6 July 1993 to be fitted with double hulls, or an alternative design approved by IMO (Regulation 13F (regulation 19 in the revised Annex I which entered into force on 1 January 2007) in Annex I of MARPOL 73/78).

The requirement for double hulls that applies to new tankers has also been applied to existing ships under a programme that began in 1995 (Regulation 13G (regulation 20 in the revised Annex I which entered into force on 1 January 2007) in Annex I of MARPOL 73/78).  All tankers would have to be converted (or taken out of service) when they reached a certain age (up to 30 years old). This measure was adopted to be phased in over a number of years because shipyard capacity is limited and it would not be possible to convert all single hulled tankers to double hulls without causing immense disruption to world trade and industry.

Although the double hull requirement was adopted in 1992, following the Erika incident off the coast of France in December 1999, IMO Member States discussed proposals for accelerating the phase-out of single hull tankers. As a result, in April 2001, IMO adopted a revised phase-out schedule for single hull tankers, which entered into force on 1 September 2003 (the 2001 amendments to MARPOL 73/78). The new revised MARPOL regulation 13G set out a stricter timetable for the phasing-out of single-hull tankers.

In December 2003, further revisions to 13G (regulation 20 in the revised Annex I which entered into force on 1 January 2007) were made, accelerating further the phase-out schedule. These amendments entered into force on 5 April 2005. A new Regulation on the prevention of oil pollution from oil tankers when carrying heavy grade oil (HGO) banned the carriage of HGO in single-hull tankers of 5,000 tons dwt and above after the date of entry into force of the regulation (5 April 2005), and in single-hull oil tankers of 600 tons dwt and above but less than 5,000 tons dwt, not later than the anniversary of their delivery date in 2008.


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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2007, 11:54:30 AM »

Shouldn't it be common sense to get a new ship after 15 years, so people can avoid screwing up the oceans more?

Oh, that's what big boys may do -they sell the ship to someone else. And that someone else will use it to make dirty bucks. You know, the ship is old, but still can pass the safety checks. Of course in being old its performace is poorer and it demands more maintenance, so crew costs are cut and maintenance is kept to a minimum (that's standard policy for tankers anyway -don't fix it unless it's absolutely necessary is the rule). Of course, the mix of poor crews (usually poor devils from SE Asia who get paid about 500$ per month) and old ships may lead to trouble, but that doesn't happen often enough for someone taking action. Ships, shall we remind, are still safe enough to be hired & the cargo be insured (that's the crux) and be allowed to enter port...

Yet as they're old they get piss-poor works, are hired for a cheap price to transport cheap cargos (heavy crude, tars, fuel) which aren't worth hiring a newer tanker. And each now and then, the mix of sea (which is a bitch), poor crews and an old ship may cause an incident or even an accident. But, what else would you do? You can't forbid a owner, who usually is a company who owns a company who hires a company who owns a ship -all them based in havens-, to do something legal... and havens are havens because the definition of what is legal includes allowing to sail older tankers as long as they're not caught up in a random check, the insurers refuse to insure the cargo or potential hirers reject them. And even if a tanker is caught up in a random check in a strict country, they may be repaired enough to fulfill the regulations -and not a dollar more- and sail away. Of course whenever they reach the next pory, the travel stress will have taken a toll and the tanker likely no longer will be able to pass a random check... but, it would be so bad if a tanker ran across two random checks in a row! And so they keep sailing, getting their 15,000 to 20,000 $ a day (crew expense, about 9,000 $ a month; fuel expense about 6,000 $ per day at sea, and 1,000 $ when in port; usual taxation 1% of brute income), carrying loads worth 5 to 20 million $ and rendering untold profits once maintenance is discounted.

Old tankers are a way of living to a gazillion of investors, and their legal status usually is so messed up that it takes a very determined Government (and a bit of luck) to ever get a compensation when shit happens.

For an isntance, a wreck that happened in Spain: the ship had been hired by a company based in Cyprus, who was hired by a company based in Panama which was owed by a company based in Panama, which was owned by a holding based in Bahama whose investors had limited repsonsability -and where undisclosed. The load was owed by a Italian company which had boutght it to a Bielorrussian owner which had hired the ship and then sold the contract (for ship and cargo). Half way the load was sold to a third undisclosed customer... and all that is typical for about half of all tankers in the world. Not even the USA inspects all tankers reaching its shores; usually they random check 1 in 20 tankers, which is a lot (even the very serious Dutch random check only 1 in 20 tankers as average).


Oh... and double hulls don't really help much. Double hulls' frames are punished even further than usual tankers and get old sooner, and their external hull plating is thiner to save dead weight. They are safer against spills and minor scratches, but structurally suffer more, their hull is weaker and their maintenance is more demanding. But, nobody is going to pay what it costs a new tanker to carry a cheap load of heavy crude or tars, so the market for cheap and old tankers still exists. And is being filled with egg-skinned double hulls... and in case of structural failure having a double hull means nothing.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2007, 01:35:13 AM »

New interface, old problem: your post isn't showing, Chovy...
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2007, 01:48:29 AM »

nor should it, i changed the theme because i lost that post Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2007, 07:48:49 PM »

The spill was not from an oil tanker as all of you presumed.  The spill was from the fuel tank of a container ship that ripped it open when it struck a tower of the Oakland Bay Bridge in dense fog.  Such is the nature of prejudice, it prevents one from even seeking the facts.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2007, 08:03:07 PM »

obviously it wasn't a tanker -- got that from the picture of the crates...and the lack of oil on the shores.
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2007, 09:07:10 PM »

It's still a bad thing though....
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2007, 02:46:56 PM »

The spill was not from an oil tanker as all of you presumed.  The spill was from the fuel tank of a container ship that ripped it open when it struck a tower of the Oakland Bay Bridge in dense fog.  Such is the nature of prejudice, it prevents one from even seeking the facts.

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2007, 04:07:19 PM »

Did Nancy open her mouth again?
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