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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2007, 02:20:07 AM » |
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The spill was not from an oil tanker as all of you presumed. The spill was from the fuel tank of a container ship that ripped it open when it struck a tower of the Oakland Bay Bridge in dense fog. Such is the nature of prejudice, it prevents one from even seeking the facts.
Or laziness... Or just follow the thread of the conversation. People was talking about tankers, and so I talked about tankers.  BTW, it's me the only one noticing the irony of RF blaming others of prejudice? |
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2007, 09:27:25 AM » |
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The spill was not from an oil tanker as all of you presumed. The spill was from the fuel tank of a container ship that ripped it open when it struck a tower of the Oakland Bay Bridge in dense fog. Such is the nature of prejudice, it prevents one from even seeking the facts.
Or laziness... Or just follow the thread of the conversation. People was talking about tankers, and so I talked about tankers. BTW, it's me the only one noticing the irony of RF blaming others of prejudice? And it was good post indeed. Maybe RF just likes to make quick assumptions so he can make a cheap shot. In a reasoned manner of course... A latest developments on oil spills: A massive storm hit the Black Sea off the coast of Russia, sinking many ships including a Russian oil tanker that split in half. No one can even measure the type of environmental damage from the oil because the storm was so violent. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7089317.stm |
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2007, 10:14:08 AM » |
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It boggles my mind to hear of a ship downed in a storm today.
I road through a class 3 Typhone in the Indian Ocean on the USS Nimitz. We where so far from land its unreal and we still found rocks on the flight de ck after the storm. I am talk large ones, as large as someones head. I remember seeing waves cresting the flight deck. We had to net oursleves into our racks. We sustained little to no damage.
Also the only time I have EVER been motion sick.
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2007, 10:49:37 AM » |
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I hope there wasn't any oil on that ship....
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2007, 03:36:52 PM » |
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isn't that like the 3rd on in the last week and a half? There are dead birds washing up on shore here (santa cruz, ca) and it is likely not related to the SF Bay oil leakage...but possibly another leak that no one reported.
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2007, 12:52:04 PM » |
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It boggles my mind to hear of a ship downed in a storm today.
I road through a class 3 Typhone in the Indian Ocean on the USS Nimitz. We where so far from land its unreal and we still found rocks on the flight de ck after the storm. I am talk large ones, as large as someones head. I remember seeing waves cresting the flight deck. We had to net oursleves into our racks. We sustained little to no damage.
Also the only time I have EVER been motion sick. That's a military ship. Sea trials for military contracts are WAY more extensive then commercial ships. Way more. Just look at all the time and money that's been put into the DD-1000 Zumwalt and it's tumblehull shape. As for tanker construction, they have about an inch of steel plating, two or three ft of open space and then another inch or two of plating. That empty space has rows (they're called frames) of steel every two or three feet. That's basically 2 and a half feet of space between the cargo and the sea. That's how they're built now. Accidents, since the Exxon Valdeez (aside from the DE river one a few years ago, but that was unavoidable), have been limited to barges and, in this case, container ships. No doubt legislation will be written to govern the transportation of oil in containers now. |
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2007, 03:23:11 PM » |
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It boggles my mind to hear of a ship downed in a storm today.
I road through a class 3 Typhone in the Indian Ocean on the USS Nimitz. We where so far from land its unreal and we still found rocks on the flight de ck after the storm. I am talk large ones, as large as someones head. I remember seeing waves cresting the flight deck. We had to net oursleves into our racks. We sustained little to no damage.
Also the only time I have EVER been motion sick.
Rocks on the flight deck. Nice. I've been motion sick more times than I care to remember. The worst was for almost 3 days of convulsively dry heaving in a stuffy noisy airless overheated cabin that was not going to stop rocking no matter what I did. My whole body hurt for 3 weeks after, but the worst of it was the helplessness and powerlessness. Nothing I could do would make it stop....Nothing!!! ... "Abandon all Hope, ye who enter here" -- Dante It sucks to have to come to grips with your own mortality when you're too weak to raise your head to puke. "Not with a bang, but a whimper"? Fuck that. Not my style. Thank you Yeats. You drunken Irishman. I've never been that sick again on the ocean since. I'm glad. That being said, Any boat skippered by Anyone can get in a bind. The key is to recognize the chances for getting in a bind and have methods of dealing with them. |
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2007, 03:24:31 PM » |
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how did you get yourself in that predicament?
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 03:44:15 PM » |
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how did you get yourself in that predicament?
I decided to crew on a 42' Cordova purse seiner to fish Togiak, Ak. sac roe herring . It's a long run from Cordova to Togiak in early April. The fishery is incredibly intense. 80% of the harvest comes on the first set of the first opener. Hundreds of thousands of dollars riding on it. Boats must competively jog over the moving masses of fish to be in position to set on the fish on the exact moment the flare lunches the 1-hour season (that's right: one hour). Individual seiners contract (multiple) tender vessels to pump hundreds of tons of herring out of their nets, and spotters to fly above and direct the boat to the most fish. Sac roe herring pays ~$1000/ton to the fisherman and ~$0.03/lb to the tender. Here's a look at the Sitka, AK herring fishery. A much smaller game than Togiak. Hope you like Incubus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl4GsBl2MWc |
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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2007, 03:49:32 PM » |
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you didn't know you were seasick?
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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2007, 03:55:24 PM » |
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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2007, 03:57:34 PM » |
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rough seas...man, I remember being on a sailboat below deck and felt nauseous instantly.
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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2007, 04:02:06 PM » |
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Sensory overload is harsh.
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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2007, 04:04:06 PM » |
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i still feel sick, and that was 10 years ago.
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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2007, 04:19:22 PM » |
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