Most of the spanish History has been written under dictatorships (in fact, monarchies), is that any base to prefer dictatorship rather then democracy?


Morations didn't ever say that Aznar was behind  Venezuela's coup d'etat, what he stated is that Aznar legitimized it. And sure he did. BTW, were did exactly Moratinos use the word 'facha'? 


Yeah, yeah, keep telling lies, like that PSOE started the civil war and Franco's dictatorship was legitimized because it was a defense against fascist PSOE (lol). Truth is that it was Franco who started the civil war and franco's dictatorship killed tens of thousands of people, and i mean even AFTER the civil war. Truth is that PP was founded around 30 years ago by Manuel Fraga, which was a minister during Franco's dictatorship.

Findeton wrote:
Most of the spanish History has been written under dictatorships (in fact, monarchies), is that any base to prefer dictatorship rather then democracy?


I'm sorry to disagree but that's a very weak reasoning , IMO, because it seems, from your words, that we are suffering a dictatorship nowadays with our Monarchy.



Findeton wrote:
Morations didn't ever say that Aznar was behind  Venezuela's coup d'etat, what he stated is that Aznar legitimized it. And sure he did. BTW, were did exactly Moratinos use the word 'facha'? 

Moratinos in our TV program "59 seconds" did accuse Aznar and is this accusation the one Chávez is using against us. This socialists goverment are just a bunch of amateurs. I feel ashamed about what they are doing to our country.



Findeton wrote:
Yeah, yeah, keep telling lies, like that PSOE started the civil war

Yes, keep using wikipedia and not reading a book.
And yes, Psoe started the civil war. The Psoe was simply a fascist party during those years and you know why? because socialisms and democracy are incompatibles. It seems you have the same problem that other spaniard in this board: lack of culture.

Findeton wrote:
and Franco's dictatorship was legitimized because it was a defense against fascist PSOE  

Every day I'm more confident about that fact. Socialists just wanted a proletarian dictatorship, that's why Stalin's agents were in our country. Like Orlov, but hey, how are you gonna know Orlov or Marty, if your mother of all knolewdge is wiki? Why did we send our gold reserves to the USSR? We were not a socialist country. Why didn't we send it to the US, as the UK or France did with their gold, while nazi were aproaching western Europe? Have you ever heard Stalin's words regarding our gold? Did you know we had the 4th most important gold reserves in the world, back in those days?

Findeton wrote:
Truth is that it was Franco who started the civil war and franco's dictatorship killed tens of thousands of people, and i mean even AFTER the civil war.

The truth is that socialists did try to destroy the spanish second República from the very beginning. The truth is that for socialists the only way to destroy la burguesía was throught violence. The truth is that Franco, just with 2500 men, was able to win a war against the left, who was ruling the country and did have the Army, the Navy and the Air Forces under their command. The History of the Psoe is full of traitions to our country. Even the choosing of ZP as the candidate to be Prime Minister is another traition to our country.

Findeton wrote:
Truth is that PP was founded around 30 years ago by Manuel Fraga, which was a minister during Franco's dictatorship

Truth is that the Psoe is a criminal party from the very beginning. In 1910 they thread our PM in the Parliament. Between 1934/1936 they robbed in the Bank of Spain, they killed members of Parliament, they killed every single socialists that disagree with the Stalin "points of view". Between 1939 and 1976, they were hidden as cowards and no one knew about Psoe during  those years, but we did know about the Pce, communists were alive in Paris and in the exile, but socialists.......................just hidden. From 1976, as you know, no more socialism within Psoe but they do not change it's name, because if we are not socialist anymore, why do we keep calling ourselves "socialists"? The socialists lies goes on. Between 1982/1996, man, what a shame! The turn Spain into a criminal State. Minister of Interior had been send to jail. They tortured people. There was not a single part of the public administration were they didn't "metieron las manos".
And you are talking about the PP founder? Get a book Findenton and do yourself a favor.

Between all the lies you have shown to believe, i'll talk about this one. Gal were death squads, supported by the spanish goverment, set with the objective of annihilatating the terrorist band ETA. As a matter of facts, those death squads existed long before Felipe González reached the presidency, and what he did was to tolerate them. I mean, GAL was part of the legacy of Franco's dictatorship. I'm not saying that tolerating GAL was the right thing, i'm saying that those death squads supported by the government existed long before Felipe González reached the presidency. BTW, Pio Moa is a silly suporter of Franco's dictatorship and any statement that you could possibly read in any of his books is useless to me. It's yourself who should get a book, instead of a simple pamphlet.

Just one thing Major, NO.
You are old enough -hopefully- to get a book a read it.
Sources, sources, go and look for them!!!!

Major wrote:
Just so we, poor illiterate morons, do know where do they come from your deep wisdom

Thanks a lot. It is true. You are a poor illiterate person and my wisdom is for sure deeper than yours.

Major Zee Lee wrote:
Give your sources. Title and name. Or maybe, just maybe, you got no sources and just are spreading your insane fantasies...?

Yes Major, I got no sources. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, what a superb reasoning.

You really need to re-read your history.  In 1940 when Churchill was performing activities he knew would help to rally and bolster the British people, just when they needed it most, the soviets were not in the least inclined to be saving British asses.  In fact, at that time, the Soviets were sending letters of congratulations to Hitler on his stunning victories in western Europe.  It was only later when Hitler invaded that the Soviets threw the weight of their military and populace into saving the asses of the British.  So really, if you are going to ascribe the saving of the collective British backside to the military might of the Soviet Union, I am affraid you need to give the credit for that to Hitler himself.

Now, wether the silly cermonies Churchill was performing SHOULD have the effects they did and do for the British people is certainly up for debate, and I suspect you and I might agree on the answer to that, but the fact is they had an effect and therefore a value.

Man, aren't you blatant?

We ask you the sources of your bold claism (like, the PSOE is guilty of the SCW, something it's not a common opinion between historians), and yet instead of backup your claims you produce a quote by a reputable source, warning against the tyranny of nationalism... 75 years ago.

See, I have read about 1,000 different books, most of them while I was younger. 70 books a year for years gives out an impressive record. Currently I still read about 40 books a year despite computer leisure takes a lot of my time. I am a fast and experienced reader.

And yet it's obvious I never read the same books as you. Now, you could rant on about how I read the wrong books, on how your books are better than my books... yet to do so, we should know your readings. Your sources. And, alas!, we still don't know what is the source of your bold claims on the history of Spain. A history according to you, and -let we guess you're not just figuring all those claims-, according to someone else who wrote a book about it.

Furthermore, once in rant mode, you produce a source -Albert Boadella, the latest hero of Spanish nationalism. Well, Mr. Boadella is free to hold any opinion he sees fit for the advancement of the last stages of his career. Of course, people who used to knew Mr. Bodella will tell that Boadella is not being the same person he used to be. People change. And fact is that all the reputation Mr. Boadella earned as a freedom fighter and victim of repression was earned when he held opinions extremely incompatible with what he preaches now. It is ironical that he himself can't tell the difference betwen being incarcerated for "offense to the Army" and whatever he fantasizes to be "prosecution" now. Also is ironical that he choses to slam the door now that "nationalists" are not in power. I mean, he gleefully smashed them when they where in power. Albert Boadella, the unconquerable buffoon (in his own words), had no God and no master, and bashed everyone in power, free of allegiances. And yet now that nationalists are gone, he embraces Spanish nationalists (selling himself to a harsh master) and bashes not just the nationalists, but the whole Catalonian people and nation!? Whatever happened to you, Mr. Boadella? He, the unconquerable buffoon, now has sold himself to a harsh master and spreads hate on those he vowed out love. Pity the fallen hero... but don't count on anyone taking him seriously unless it is for a partisan interest. I am sure *you* will take him very seriously...