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Incoherrant
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« on: November 12, 2007, 05:31:09 PM »

Nation thread:

Just look at this filth!

http://www.anus.com/tribes/au/entry/17/Nationalism

"Reasons for exclusion need not be rooted in hatred, nor does nationalism in any way necessitate the view that one's own culture is more righteous than another. I do not see universal validity in any one culture (the culture of fashions implicitly yearned for by promoters of multiculturalism included). I recognise that people are not the same around the world - there is diversity, and this should be preserved both for its own sake and as a means of avoiding a pervasive anti-culture where the acquisition of money is seen as the good. I think our differences are real, to be celebrated, and should be protected. To say otherwise is to be a sadomasochistic bigot regarding race and culture."

"Communities should not be forced into sparse residence of suburbia, within which attempting to live as they would like while being absorbed into a new way of life. Multicultural societies do not allow for cultural diversity in the long run, for there must be significant compromise. Our new residents must adhere to the overriding dogma of liberal democracy that let them in, which effectively homogenises societies into tacky individualists following a culture that, unlike the low culture of the past, lacks continuity, ingenuity, and bases status on consumption rather than creation. After a few generations whatever culture is left will be commodified remnants; the 'richness' of multicultural societies has a lifespan."

"...those advocating multiculturalism are merely supporting small-scale, incomplete nationalism... They are fond of ethnic communities being able to preserve their culture, attend their own schools and churches, learn their language and their people's heritage, hold community events, et cetera. Yet they so vehemently oppose nationalism, which strives for the same goals, but recognises that to accomplish and preserve these communities need their own territory and leaders who represent a particular way of life."

I'm a moron, so when reading that I get offended & think that counts as legitimate rebuttal. What about you?
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 05:40:24 PM »

You got that from a website called anus.com?  And you want comments?  Lol!
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 08:34:56 PM »

You got that from a website called anus.com?  And you want comments?  Lol!

I'm as little bit confused by this. But it is making me laugh that it came from a sight called anus.com, so I'm gonna applaud this one.
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2007, 08:50:19 PM »

I wasn't about to click on that from work.  But from home it is the Australian Nihilist Underground Society.  Lol!
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2007, 09:13:49 PM »

I wonder what anus.net is...
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2007, 09:36:07 PM »

Well click on it then. 

DO IT!  DON'T BE A GIRLIE MAN!!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2007, 09:47:54 PM »

I'm good.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2007, 09:50:18 PM »

I wasn't about to click on that from work.  But from home it is the Australian Nihilist Underground Society.  Lol!

Must be exhausting...




[insert (in)appropriate exhausted ANUS joke here]
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 02:54:12 AM »

I'm not going to comment on...



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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2007, 10:48:10 AM »

thats always end up in there when Australians gettin creative,,,
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2007, 03:15:47 PM »

Nice acronym, I know  Grin

What do you think about the ideas, though? (This is a politics forum after all).
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2007, 09:43:59 PM »

Nice acronym, I know  Grin

What do you think about the ideas, though? (This is a politics forum after all).

Garden variety "Can't believe it's not racist" doublethink propaganda.

Any idea that starts out by trying to reverse engineer exclusion from a non-hateful standpoint loses my interest from about that point.

Anyone wanting to apply ethnic exclusionary principles to policy or public places is going to run into big opposition.



We were commenting on the website's name because that was the only worthwhile part of the whole thing.




Huh huh huh, he said ANUS, huh huh huh.

Heh heh heh, heh heh heh.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2007, 04:58:30 PM »

Garden variety "Can't believe it's not racist" doublethink propaganda.

Any idea that starts out by trying to reverse engineer exclusion from a non-hateful standpoint loses my interest from about that point.

Started burning books yet? You're either a Christian, or have a hangover consisting of a convenient 'good vs. evil' divide.

Labelling anti-racist ideas racist doesn't make them so, no matter how much you tanty.

See:
http://www.anus.com/tribes/arn/
http://www.anus.com/zine/db/race/race_and_culture.html
http://www.pan-nationalism.org/
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2007, 06:05:49 PM »

Garden variety "Can't believe it's not racist" doublethink propaganda.

Any idea that starts out by trying to reverse engineer exclusion from a non-hateful standpoint loses my interest from about that point.

Started burning books yet? You're either a Christian, or have a hangover consisting of a convenient 'good vs. evil' divide.

Labelling anti-racist ideas racist doesn't make them so, no matter how much you tanty.

See:
http://www.anus.com/tribes/arn/
http://www.anus.com/zine/db/race/race_and_culture.html
http://www.pan-nationalism.org/

Yeah, I noticed a common theme with your wanting to attribute a good/evil paradigm to me, and your link's 'good' and 'bad' theme. Funny thing is, I'm not a Christian as you suspect. I did in fact attend a fundamentalist church at the age of 10, where they did in fact burn books, mostly NIV and NKJ Bibles. Anything that wasn't a KJV basically. In short, I consider attending that church to be one of the more erroneous decisions my parents ever made. In fact I'm an agnostic, and I don't see things in a good vs evil paradigm, nor did I mention good and evil in my assessment of the post. I would argue that morality is a product of evolution, and is still evolving. By it's nature it is changing and subjective.

Seems like you were pretty wide off the mark regarding my stance on religion and morality.


From your OP:

"...those advocating multiculturalism are merely supporting small-scale, incomplete nationalism... They are fond of ethnic communities being able to preserve their culture, attend their own schools and churches, learn their language and their people's heritage, hold community events, et cetera. Yet they so vehemently oppose nationalism, which strives for the same goals, but recognises that to accomplish and preserve these communities need their own territory and leaders who represent a particular way of life."

Your article starts off with the idea of finding a reason for exclusion. Excluding people along ethnic lines is not the goal of multiculturalism.

Sure, nationalists advocating exclusion are *really* all about equality. They want everyone to look like them and be *ethnically* equal by simply excluding everybody who isn't.

The proposition is absurd.
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2007, 05:49:48 PM »

Seems like you were pretty wide off the mark regarding my stance on religion and morality.

You misinterpreted what I was saying. I said you were either a Christian, or have a hangover consisting of a convenient 'good vs. evil' divide. Your posts suggest you refuse to confront some ideas, with knee-jerk reactions in that moral brain of yours: "ooOOoo, that's naughty. I'm going to 'lose interest' because anyone against a consumerist global monoculture topped off with anti-depressants must be *racist* (or some such rubbish). You're being a bigot. Like... open your mind dude Cool

The latter part of your post is answered in the text you quoted.
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