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The estimate relies on polls conducted by a British research company. Iraqis were asked whether they lost a member of the family, and how many. The data was then applied to the number of households according to the 2005. Some areas were not included in the poll for security reason, which might affect the precision of the estimate. "Given that from the 2005 census there are a total of 4,050,597 households this data suggests a total of 1,220,580 deaths since the invasion in 2003. Calculating the affect from the margin of error we believe that the range is a minimum of 733,158 to a maximum of 1,446,063 The poll also questioned the surviving relatives on the method in which their loved ones were killed. It reveals that 48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance." It's difficult to estimate how many were killed by Coalition forces, how many by Iraqi army/police and how many by insurgents/qQaeda/militias. The 9% reportedly killed by air bombardment are an American achievement (9% of 1220580 is 110000). Remembering the Haditha incident and other of the kind, assume that some of the 586000 presumably killed by gunfire are also an American contribution. As well as some of the 6% killed by "other ordinance" (artillery, tank shelling). The 20% killed by car bombs are al Qaeda's toils. Still, the largest group are probably victims of militias. The speculative figures might be an exaggeration. But even the reported by media deaths are at the region of 80,000 (acc. to Bodycount). WHile another study (well-known by now) estimated 655,000 killed. http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78 |
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 02:11:45 AM » |
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It looks like many different studies hit the 600,000-700,000 figure. Now they all can be wrong, but, by what a factor? Unless they where wrong by a 20x factor, the numbers still would be appalling.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 04:33:47 AM » |
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That's math today? You buy that? Did your teachers tell you that you're all smart and special and brilliant?
If 30 people say that 2+2 is 4, and 1 dunce says 2+2 is 14....the answer does not become a concensus.
You're still special...we all are. Equally.
I know ALOT of people died.
I know the overwhelming majority were killed by terrorism, not by resisting occupation.
What are you suggesting we do with those who killed 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens?
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 08:01:32 AM » |
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OK so there is a part of me that wants this war to be over not becuase of the deaths. I could give a shit less about the ignorant savages blowing each other up. I am concerned about the expenses the war is incurring.
but an article like this pisses me off becuase of the point its exactly what the terrorists want.
By saying, "This is too much death, we should just leave" we infact tell the terrorists that there is a line over which all they must do is pass and we will crumble like a card house.
Still another part of me says, "Ok, and how many of those deaths are from one group of ignorant savages blowing up another group and then retaliating? If they want it to be over all they must do is say who the terrorists are."
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2007, 09:31:51 AM » |
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The data collecting methods there seem questionable, which is really too bad because I'd like to know the real number.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2007, 09:35:43 AM » |
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and we will crumble like a card house.
not because of the Iraqi deaths. Because of your own. U "give a shit less about the ignorant savages blowing each other up", and so do 90% of your compatriots. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 09:39:28 AM » |
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and we will crumble like a card house.
not because of the Iraqi deaths. Because of your own. U "give a shit less about the ignorant savages blowing each other up", and so do 90% of your compatriots. ok....and your point? |
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2007, 01:16:53 PM » |
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2 and half years ago, by the middle of the occupation term, estimates were between 60,000 and 100,000 and that seemed outrageousely high, so much that these numbers were questioned.
I don't think that 900,000 died in the last 2 1/2 years, and only 60,000 in the first 2 1/2 years.
Finaly, you don't count deaths by polling the population.
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2007, 02:55:56 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2007, 12:28:36 PM » |
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Iraqbodycount.org estimates civilian casualities at 84,199, maximum. Other studies give an estimate of 100,000 ~ 150.000 death, albeit that cannot be verified. Only IraqBodyCount 's reported deaths are confirmed and documented.
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2007, 12:54:30 PM » |
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only million? god it would take more 200 years to clean them,,, Iran has nothing to worry about
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2007, 02:28:14 AM » |
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It looks like many different studies hit the 600,000-700,000 figure. Now they all can be wrong, but, by what a factor? Unless they where wrong by a 20x factor, the numbers still would be appalling.
Hmm... since when have europeans cared about human lives? |
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2007, 03:24:15 AM » |
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It looks like many different studies hit the 600,000-700,000 figure. Now they all can be wrong, but, by what a factor? Unless they where wrong by a 20x factor, the numbers still would be appalling.
Hmm... since when have europeans cared about human lives? Since our disregard for human lives caused that world power was handed over to American, maybe?  |
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2007, 07:13:44 PM » |
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It looks like many different studies hit the 600,000-700,000 figure. Now they all can be wrong, but, by what a factor? Unless they where wrong by a 20x factor, the numbers still would be appalling.
Hmm... since when have europeans cared about human lives? Since our disregard for human lives caused that world power was handed over to American, maybe? First of all what you just said made absolutley no sense at all. How were latinos like myself created again? |
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2007, 01:34:17 AM » |
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It looks like many different studies hit the 600,000-700,000 figure. Now they all can be wrong, but, by what a factor? Unless they where wrong by a 20x factor, the numbers still would be appalling.
Hmm... since when have europeans cared about human lives? Since our disregard for human lives caused that world power was handed over to American, maybe? First of all what you just said made absolutley no sense at all. How were latinos like myself created again? I made all sense by answering in kind to your "point". Like now: Why don't you go ask that to Native American? |
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