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Author Topic: Is the Wesy arrogant? -reply to CedarPride-  (Read 1524 times)
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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2007, 01:43:39 AM »

Yes Fredledingue - its was indeed called "a measured response"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Harper_government

At the outset of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Harper defended publicly Israel's "right to defend itself," and described the invasion of Lebanon as a "measured" response

Suddenly when Canadian citizens were killed by the IDF we didn't hear from him again.
I guess the killing of children is a "measured" response.

And here in Australia, John Howard, yet Bush poodle, said the same thing
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2007, 01:54:38 AM »

Yes Fredledingue - its was indeed called "a measured response"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Harper_government

At the outset of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Harper defended publicly Israel's "right to defend itself," and described the invasion of Lebanon as a "measured" response

Suddenly when Canadian citizens were killed by the IDF we didn't hear from him again.
I guess the killing of children is a "measured" response.

And here in Australia, John Howard, yet Bush poodle, said the same thing


Waylander mate, [removed]! You don't come even close to what us True Blue Aussies believe. And don't come the raw prawn with me boy.  Angry



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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2007, 02:42:55 AM »

Is that all you can post is ad hominems Terry?


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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2007, 03:03:42 AM »

Is that all you can post is ad hominems Terry?





Avoidance suits you, but I really have no interest. You provide nothing useful.


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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2007, 03:25:02 AM »

Avoidance of you?
I didn't know you stated anything to reply too apart from an ad hominem posting.

What's the matter Terry - you don't like how I proved that Western leaders like the Howard poodle used the words "measured response"?
You must be missing your 'Peisi' mate because he provides the content you can agree with Smiley
But don't worry Terry, we can't all be lap dogs

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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2007, 03:58:09 AM »

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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2007, 07:05:18 AM »

Here you go Fred. This is who you remind me of, you and all those who think like you. You have as much a sense of justice as this wolf.

The Wolf and the Lamb, By Jean de La Fontaine
Translation by Eli Siegel     

The reason of those best able to have their way is always the best:
We now show how this is true.

 
A lamb was quenching its thirst
In the water of a pure stream.
A fasting wolf came by, looking for something;
He was attracted by hunger to this place.
—What makes you so bold as to meddle with my drinking?
Said this animal, very angry.
You will be punished for your boldness.
—Sir, answered the lamb, let Your Majesty
Not put himself into a rage;
But rather, let him consider
That I am taking a drink of water
In the stream
More than twenty steps below him;
And that, consequently, in no way,
Am I troubling his supply.
—You do trouble it, answered the cruel beast.
And I know you said bad things of me last year.
—How could I do that when I wasn't born,
Answered the lamb; I am still at my mother's breast.
—If it wasn't you, then it was your brother.
—I haven't a brother.—It was then someone close to you;
For you have no sympathy for me,
You, your shepherds and your dogs.
I have been told of this.I have to make things even.
Saying this, into the woods
The wolf carries the lamb, and then eats him
Without any other why or wherefore.

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Jean de La Fontaine's The Wolf and the Lamb is one of the cruellest instances of literature. The poem or fable is doubly cruel, for while it tells of an unjust occurrence, it also intimates that there is a way or trend in the human mind undeviatingly unkind. La Fontaine tells us that between having one's way and being just, having one's way is more powerful. It has been so, ever so many times. The most dangerous and ugly possibility inherent in the individual as individual is that the desire to have one's way seems strong, while justice seems flat and interrupting. The wolf wants the lamb and the want itself is justice. This is the way we are. If a want increases, just because it does, the want may seem the more just, well placed, accurate, right. The unconscious tendency or likelihood of making our want the same as universal justice is the ugliest adjunct of the heart of man.

Friendly advice: Read the last highlighted sentence carefully Fred.
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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2007, 11:23:39 AM »

Here you go Fred. This is who you remind me of, you and all those who think like you. You have as much a sense of justice as this wolf.

The Wolf and the Lamb, By Jean de La Fontaine
Translation by Eli Siegel     

The reason of those best able to have their way is always the best:
We now show how this is true.

 
A lamb was quenching its thirst
In the water of a pure stream.
A fasting wolf came by, looking for something;
He was attracted by hunger to this place.
—What makes you so bold as to meddle with my drinking?
Said this animal, very angry.
You will be punished for your boldness.
—Sir, answered the lamb, let Your Majesty
Not put himself into a rage;
But rather, let him consider
That I am taking a drink of water
In the stream
More than twenty steps below him;
And that, consequently, in no way,
Am I troubling his supply.
—You do trouble it, answered the cruel beast.
And I know you said bad things of me last year.
—How could I do that when I wasn't born,
Answered the lamb; I am still at my mother's breast.
—If it wasn't you, then it was your brother.
—I haven't a brother.—It was then someone close to you;
For you have no sympathy for me,
You, your shepherds and your dogs.
I have been told of this.I have to make things even.
Saying this, into the woods
The wolf carries the lamb, and then eats him
Without any other why or wherefore.

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Jean de La Fontaine's The Wolf and the Lamb is one of the cruellest instances of literature. The poem or fable is doubly cruel, for while it tells of an unjust occurrence, it also intimates that there is a way or trend in the human mind undeviatingly unkind. La Fontaine tells us that between having one's way and being just, having one's way is more powerful. It has been so, ever so many times. The most dangerous and ugly possibility inherent in the individual as individual is that the desire to have one's way seems strong, while justice seems flat and interrupting. The wolf wants the lamb and the want itself is justice. This is the way we are. If a want increases, just because it does, the want may seem the more just, well placed, accurate, right. The unconscious tendency or likelihood of making our want the same as universal justice is the ugliest adjunct of the heart of man.

Friendly advice: Read the last highlighted sentence carefully Fred.



 ..And that would apply to ALL people Cedar, not just Fred.   Wink



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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2007, 12:11:40 PM »

Quote from: Cedar
I either agree with you or I am a terrorist supporter

It's YOU who says that. NOT me nor "the West".
It's islamists who claim proudly and arrogantly to be terrorist as soon as they disagree with us.
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« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2007, 12:19:26 PM »

Yes Fredledingue - its was indeed called "a measured response"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Harper_government

At the outset of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Harper defended publicly Israel's "right to defend itself," and described the invasion of Lebanon as a "measured" response

Suddenly when Canadian citizens were killed by the IDF we didn't hear from him again.
I guess the killing of children is a "measured" response.

And here in Australia, John Howard, yet Bush poodle, said the same thing

You are cherry-picking the few quotes out of context, of course.
I could quote thousnads of opposite views from western politicians and intellectuals.
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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2007, 12:24:28 PM »

Quote from: Cedar
I either agree with you or I am a terrorist supporter

It's YOU who says that. NOT me nor "the West".
It's islamists who claim proudly and arrogantly to be terrorist as soon as they disagree with us.


I think it's more accurate to say that people become terrorists after they are given reason to want to exact revenge on those who abuse them and their countries. In the current situation where terrorists have attacked the US and Britain I can see no reason to suspect that they are not justified in seeking revenge. If they strike agaisnt targets in Canada or Canadian I will have to be honest with myself and admit that we have been the cause of their anger because of our complicity in US wars of aggression.
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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2007, 12:31:41 PM »

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I either agree with you or I am a terrorist supporter

It's YOU who says that. NOT me nor "the West".
It's islamists who claim proudly and arrogantly to be terrorist as soon as they disagree with us.



Dunno, all terrorists Are arrogant, but all westerners are not arrogant. What price do normal people have to give to get along with terrorists,eh?  Wink
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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2007, 01:46:41 PM »

How are the quotes out of context?

And let's see the 'thousands' of opposite views
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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2007, 05:13:03 PM »

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I either agree with you or I am a terrorist supporter

It's YOU who says that. NOT me nor "the West".
It's islamists who claim proudly and arrogantly to be terrorist as soon as they disagree with us.



Dunno, all terrorists Are arrogant, but all westerners are not arrogant. What price do normal people have to give to get along with terrorists,eh?  Wink

Well for what it's worth Terry, and that's obviously not much on this forum, you're dead wrong on that too. Is it really necessary for me to explain why? Just think though, had 911 never happened the US would still be praising the Chechen terrorists for killing school children. As they were wont to praise Chechen terrorists before 911. Praising terrorists because the enemy of their (US') perceived enemy became their friend.
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