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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2007, 05:10:34 PM » |
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Anyone that loves freedom can be called a American.
So, I (being Irish and never having lived in or near America, hating quite a lot of the things the US had done/is doing and despising the gung-ho patriotic nonsense that Americans seem to love) am American? Yeah don't start with that shit, you europeans are the biggest mass murderers of any people in history. You killed my ancestors, but you don't hear me bashing Europe at any chance I can get. |
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2007, 07:36:39 PM » |
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I agree with Totino's answer. No more, no less.
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What you got is everything-and I mean everything—run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. --John DiIulio, former White House official
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2007, 05:48:07 AM » |
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I agree with Totino's answer. No more, no less.
You and Totino agree? I'm heading out right now to buy my lottery ticket....... |
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2007, 08:03:50 AM » |
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What you got is everything-and I mean everything—run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. --John DiIulio, former White House official
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2007, 10:01:58 AM » |
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I agree with Totino's answer. No more, no less.
You and Totino agree? I'm heading out right now to buy my lottery ticket....... Screw that Patton, Im running out and chraging up the old credit cards, its a sure sign of the apocolypse after all. |
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2007, 01:46:56 PM » |
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Anyone that loves freedom can be called a American.
So, I (being Irish and never having lived in or near America, hating quite a lot of the things the US had done/is doing and despising the gung-ho patriotic nonsense that Americans seem to love) am American? Yeah don't start with that shit, you europeans are the biggest mass murderers of any people in history. You killed my ancestors, but you don't hear me bashing Europe at any chance I can get. I killed your ancestors? I think that's libel. |
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2007, 04:17:10 PM » |
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When I think of "What's an American" I think of that song A-S-S-H-O-L-E by Denis Leary and the freedom to be one if we so wish.
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Our democracy has created an environment of indecision at times of impending crisis.
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FreeinTX
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2007, 02:26:46 PM » |
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Anyone that loves freedom can be called a American.
I bet the illegal aliens I this country just love you. I didn't make you for one of those , "There is no such thing as an illegal human being," types. I would venture to guess that the only people who do NOT love FREEDOM, are the people in governments trying to take that freedom away, and even then they love their own freedom, so does that make every human being on the face of the planet American? FreeinTX |
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2007, 02:32:21 PM » |
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Anyone that loves freedom can be called a American.
I bet the illegal aliens I this country just love you. I didn't make you for one of those , "There is no such thing as an illegal human being," types. I would venture to guess that the only people who do NOT love FREEDOM, are the people in governments trying to take that freedom away, and even then they love their own freedom, so does that make every human being on the face of the planet American? FreeinTX It's amazing how much you guys love this freedom bullshit. All a President has to do is say freedom a bunch of times and he can do what he wants. Oh, and there's no such thing as an illegal human being. |
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2007, 03:02:40 PM » |
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Anyone that loves freedom can be called a American.
I bet the illegal aliens I this country just love you. I didn't make you for one of those , "There is no such thing as an illegal human being," types. I would venture to guess that the only people who do NOT love FREEDOM, are the people in governments trying to take that freedom away, and even then they love their own freedom, so does that make every human being on the face of the planet American? FreeinTX It's amazing how much you guys love this freedom bullshit. All a President has to do is say freedom a bunch of times and he can do what he wants. Oh, and there's no such thing as an illegal human being. Let me define FREEDOM for you. The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;
Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
That's FREEDOM, and Bush wouldn't know a GOD D-MN thing about it. He called the Constitution, "... just a GOD D-MN piece of paper." If I walked into your living room, started eating your food, sleeping in your bed, and took your job, would I be an illegal human being to you then? Would I be welcome? Should I get a say so in your affairs? Can I have your address, I'm feeling a little hungry, about now, and I don't really like the way you think, and have something to say to your wife and kids about it. There is a such thing as an illegal human being, we call 'em CRIMINALS, which is EXACTLY what you are when you violate several FEDERAL OFFENSES by illegally crossing our borders, and taking our jobs. FreeinTX |
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2007, 03:13:15 PM » |
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Anyone that loves freedom can be called a American.
I bet the illegal aliens I this country just love you. I didn't make you for one of those , "There is no such thing as an illegal human being," types. I would venture to guess that the only people who do NOT love FREEDOM, are the people in governments trying to take that freedom away, and even then they love their own freedom, so does that make every human being on the face of the planet American? FreeinTX It's amazing how much you guys love this freedom bullshit. All a President has to do is say freedom a bunch of times and he can do what he wants. Oh, and there's no such thing as an illegal human being. Let me define FREEDOM for you. The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;
Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
That's FREEDOM, and Bush wouldn't know a GOD D-MN thing about it. He called the Constitution, "... just a GOD D-MN piece of paper." Why are you censoring yourself? You know exactly the phenomenon I'm talking about. Politicians pepper their speeches with the word freedom and the baying masses eat it up like tasty tasty custard. Like when Lois ran for mayor on Family Guy. If I walked into your living room, started eating your food, sleeping in your bed, and took your job, would I be an illegal human being to you then? Would I be welcome? Should I get a say so in your affairs? Can I have your address, I'm feeling a little hungry, about now, and I don't really like the way you think, and have something to say to your wife and kids about it. There is a such thing as an illegal human being, we call 'em CRIMINALS, which is EXACTLY what you are when you violate several FEDERAL OFFENSES by illegally crossing our borders, and taking our jobs.
Countries and private property are not the same and cannot be compared like this. And if you're hungry I'd be happy to rustle you up a sandwich.  I suppose I should spell it out: I'm for the free movement of labour worldwide: the only thing that should effect your job prospects is your ability to do the jobs - not that you happen to be born in Mexico instead of the US. BTW, I'm 17 - I don't have a wife and kids. |
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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2007, 03:59:09 PM » |
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Countries and private property are not the same and cannot be compared like this. And if you're hungry I'd be happy to rustle you up a sandwich. I suppose I should spell it out: I'm for the free movement of labour worldwide: the only thing that should effect your job prospects is your ability to do the jobs - not that you happen to be born in Mexico instead of the US. BTW, I'm 17 - I don't have a wife and kids. My country is my home, and invading my country is invading my home. As for free movement of labor worldwide. It's simple supply and demand. If you supply the maketplace with MILLIONS of Chinese steel workers who make 20 cents an hour, and work 14 hours a day, the demand for the steel workers who makes $20 an hour greatly diminishes. If you supply the trucking fleet with Mexican drivers who make $10 a day to drive a truck 12 hours a day (that's right no regulation), the demand for the $10 an hour truck driver who can only drive 8 hours a day by law, severly plumets. Now, the American middle class is what made us the greatest country in the world, why in the hell would you want to punish these hard working Americans, by handing over their jobs to people are DESPERATE because their government is so corrupted that they are allowed to STEAL the countries resources without giving a penny to the people of that country? Did you know Mexico has THREE TIMES more natural resources than the United States? they are NOT a poor country. The brand name Valero gasoline, formerly Diamond Shamrock, is the Mexican national gas company. Yet the Mexican government, and the elite 10% of the countries businessmen, don't give one single red cent back to the people of that country in exchange for taking their resourses. Now, instead of doing the right thing and demanding that the government give back to the people they are stealing from, and taxing the sh-t out of them until they do, the United States President signed agreements that allow these Mexican truck drivers to enter our country and steal jobs from American truck drivers, and allow jobs to go to Mexico leaving the American middle class worker un-employed or under-employed. Do these Mexican truck drivers know how to drive trucks? Who the hell knows, the Mexican government is the most corrupt government in the Western hemisphere, who knows what they are doing to ensure trucks are skilled at truck driving. We know that not all of them can read English. How do you think they will handle driving trucks in snow? In Michigan where all the signs are in English? And who are you gonna sue, if they make a mistake and do harm to you or your family? A Mexican corporation? Good luck with that!!! In the Mexican courts? LOL!!! Yea right!!! You wanna collapse the wages of every American citizen in this country? Allow workers from poor desperate countries unfettered access to the American job base. The middle class will slide into two groups real quick. 1% will get rich, the rest will get real poor, real quick. The American middle class will look like the Mexican peasant class in no time flat!!! Now, this country has prided itself on the American midddle class, and paying a decent wage for a decent job done. And this will NOT stop at blue collar work. Soon enough, as the internet educated the BILLION Chinese in ALL areas of the work force, they will soon enter the job market in business, law, nursing, engineering, computers, etc. If these free trade agreements are allowed to continue, and even expand, wages for nurses, lawyers, doctors, and engineers will plumet as well. Doubt that? Look at Cuba. Because of Castro's socialist programs, many female government employees, (lawyers, doctors, business women, included) subsidize their incomes with a little prostitution on the side, to make ends meet. I couldn't believe it when I saw a female doctor talk about being a prostitute to pay the bills. It seemed unreal, but it happenes in Cuba, and will happen in this country if we let Cuban doctors come here and drag the wage down to that of Cuba, or China, or any other third world country where people are FORCED into depressed slave labor made possible by FREE TRADE!! China has no minimum wage, no job regulations, no EPA, no OSHA, no organized labor, no retirement plan, no wrokers rights, no nothing, yet they win GLOBALIST UN awards more than any country in the world. Why? Because slave labor is good for rich businessmen. FreeinTX |
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2007, 01:22:58 PM » |
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Countries and private property are not the same and cannot be compared like this. And if you're hungry I'd be happy to rustle you up a sandwich. I suppose I should spell it out: I'm for the free movement of labour worldwide: the only thing that should effect your job prospects is your ability to do the jobs - not that you happen to be born in Mexico instead of the US. BTW, I'm 17 - I don't have a wife and kids. My country is my home, and invading my country is invading my home. As for free movement of labor worldwide. It's simple supply and demand. If you supply the maketplace with MILLIONS of Chinese steel workers who make 20 cents an hour, and work 14 hours a day, the demand for the steel workers who makes $20 an hour greatly diminishes. If you supply the trucking fleet with Mexican drivers who make $10 a day to drive a truck 12 hours a day (that's right no regulation), the demand for the $10 an hour truck driver who can only drive 8 hours a day by law, severly plumets. Now, the American middle class is what made us the greatest country in the world, why in the hell would you want to punish these hard working Americans, by handing over their jobs to people are DESPERATE because their government is so corrupted that they are allowed to STEAL the countries resources without giving a penny to the people of that country? Did you know Mexico has THREE TIMES more natural resources than the United States? they are NOT a poor country. The brand name Valero gasoline, formerly Diamond Shamrock, is the Mexican national gas company. Yet the Mexican government, and the elite 10% of the countries businessmen, don't give one single red cent back to the people of that country in exchange for taking their resourses. Now, instead of doing the right thing and demanding that the government give back to the people they are stealing from, and taxing the sh-t out of them until they do, the United States President signed agreements that allow these Mexican truck drivers to enter our country and steal jobs from American truck drivers, and allow jobs to go to Mexico leaving the American middle class worker un-employed or under-employed. Do these Mexican truck drivers know how to drive trucks? Who the hell knows, the Mexican government is the most corrupt government in the Western hemisphere, who knows what they are doing to ensure trucks are skilled at truck driving. We know that not all of them can read English. How do you think they will handle driving trucks in snow? In Michigan where all the signs are in English? And who are you gonna sue, if they make a mistake and do harm to you or your family? A Mexican corporation? Good luck with that!!! In the Mexican courts? LOL!!! Yea right!!! You wanna collapse the wages of every American citizen in this country? Allow workers from poor desperate countries unfettered access to the American job base. The middle class will slide into two groups real quick. 1% will get rich, the rest will get real poor, real quick. The American middle class will look like the Mexican peasant class in no time flat!!! Now, this country has prided itself on the American midddle class, and paying a decent wage for a decent job done. And this will NOT stop at blue collar work. Soon enough, as the internet educated the BILLION Chinese in ALL areas of the work force, they will soon enter the job market in business, law, nursing, engineering, computers, etc. If these free trade agreements are allowed to continue, and even expand, wages for nurses, lawyers, doctors, and engineers will plumet as well. Doubt that? Look at Cuba. Because of Castro's socialist programs, many female government employees, (lawyers, doctors, business women, included) subsidize their incomes with a little prostitution on the side, to make ends meet. I couldn't believe it when I saw a female doctor talk about being a prostitute to pay the bills. It seemed unreal, but it happenes in Cuba, and will happen in this country if we let Cuban doctors come here and drag the wage down to that of Cuba, or China, or any other third world country where people are FORCED into depressed slave labor made possible by FREE TRADE!! China has no minimum wage, no job regulations, no EPA, no OSHA, no organized labor, no retirement plan, no wrokers rights, no nothing, yet they win GLOBALIST UN awards more than any country in the world. Why? Because slave labor is good for rich businessmen. FreeinTX There is a third option other that rampant exploitation or keeping out the wetbacks - you can protect immigrant rights, you can ensure that they are not exploited etc. Illegal immigrants will come whether they are allowed to or not. By making them illegal you allow them to be exploited since they cannot register and don't pay tax they are not entitled to state protection. |
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