Abraxas
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« on: November 19, 2007, 12:38:28 PM » |
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How is this tolerated by the UN or the other nations of the world? Japanese fleet heads off to hunt for humpbacks
Activists vow to disrupt first hunt for protected whales in decades
SHIMONOSEKI, Japan - A Japanese whaling fleet sailing toward waters off Antarctica to kill protected humpback whales was itself the target of a hunt Monday by environmental activists who vowed to disrupt the expedition.
Greenpeace said its protest ship Esperanza was searching for the fleet south of Japanese territorial waters and would shadow the ships to the South Pacific to try to reduce their catch. I'm not an eco-terrorist or anything and I'm not even a big fan of Greenpeace, but when the Japs call them "hypocrites" and there the Japs are waving "little flags emblazoned with smiling whales" I have to wonder how much thought they put into their comments. My thoughts: The world (ESPECIALLY the UN) should give them the big finger and also attempt to disrupt the Japanese ships, but that's just me  . And if someone says "nuke the whales"... so help me... |
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 04:51:25 PM » |
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If you are so passionate over this subject you could join up with these guys. http://www.seashepherd.org/I thought about volunteering , not for the whales so much, but because it's the closest thing to being a pirate as you can get these days.  |
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 05:29:53 PM » |
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They actually have quite a fleet there... Maybe I could donate a boat when I start making money. Hell, it's tax deductable! Thanks for the link, Gane, and welcome to IAP  . |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
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- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 08:32:19 PM » |
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Thanks, I actually had a few posts right before you guys switched forums, but I've been really busy since then.
And I read an article about that group in Nat Geo Adventurer and it was really interesting. I really love how candid they are about fighting national navies and blockading ports. It is something right out of the 15 and 1600's. Definitely a radical approach, but I admire their commitment. I'm not so sure if I agree with all of their tactics, but I do feel that something should be done about whaling.
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 11:33:05 AM » |
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This is why there are less and less whales, period, as it is now.
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2007, 07:09:28 PM » |
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on the other hand Japan recycles about 98% of its paper and glass, compared to the Us's 59% paper/21% glass. (acording to lastest national geographic).
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2007, 07:14:34 PM » |
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Admirable... but I don't think it excuses the buisness of killing one of the most amazingly majestic and mysterious creatures on the planet, does it?
I mean, the US Navy can't preform sonar testing for fear whales will be beached but the Japanese can blatantly hunt them?
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2007, 08:09:03 AM » |
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Got to love those Japaness. Aren't they part of the Kyoto Accord? I guess its all good then. They care about the environment.
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2007, 09:17:19 AM » |
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If they're protected (the whales) then shouldn't Japan be fined for that?
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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2007, 02:11:29 AM » |
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They are using the excuse that it is under the umbrella of scientific research. This BBC report suggests the number 50 for the current target, but I heard one of the "scientists" defend the project in a radio interview and he quoted at least 1000 as their target on the basis that no meaningful data can be collected from a lower number of subjects.  Thankfully the Aussies are watching the whole thing closely: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7155255.stmThe protest is gathering momentum...now that they know the world is onto them, they're starting to back off but that means nothing in the long term. This has me really angry>  We have whales on occasion wander up the river. I admit I wasn't too bothered about "Save the Whales"... before I had the pleasure of meeting one I didn't really get what the fuss is about. But this whale came really close in to shore, so close you could look into its big, soft, gentle eyes and it looked back into yours, it was curious and benign and just lovely...the swishing noises he made as he dived and raised his big head were just magical...I suppose it helped that the river was like glass and it was a beautiful day but this animal had a very warm presence you could feel. It is just wrong to harm them, they harm nothing else in the world. |
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2008, 07:42:39 PM » |
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I mean, the US Navy can't preform sonar testing for fear whales will be beached but the Japanese can blatantly hunt them? A beached whale benefits no one. It just sits there on the beach and rots. When the Japanese hunt them it's for the purpose of whatever those guys do with the products made by bits and pieces of whale. White tailed deer are a fairly majestic animal in my opinion. That doesn't mean they taste any worse. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2008, 07:28:29 AM » |
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I mean, the US Navy can't preform sonar testing for fear whales will be beached but the Japanese can blatantly hunt them? A beached whale benefits no one. It just sits there on the beach and rots. When the Japanese hunt them it's for the purpose of whatever those guys do with the products made by bits and pieces of whale. White tailed deer are a fairly majestic animal in my opinion. That doesn't mean they taste any worse. Are white-tailed deer endangered, as whales are? I am asking... And could the things the Japanese must do with the bits and pieces, be done with other bits and pieces? Does not have to involve whales? There can be some sympathy toward them for the destruction of a way of life, ie whaling. However, the Scottish fishing industry (sure there will be others) has been decimated by EU rulings on fishery protection. Entire fleets have been eradicated in order to protect fishing stocks. That is life. |
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2008, 08:01:46 PM » |
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I mean, the US Navy can't preform sonar testing for fear whales will be beached but the Japanese can blatantly hunt them? A beached whale benefits no one. It just sits there on the beach and rots. When the Japanese hunt them it's for the purpose of whatever those guys do with the products made by bits and pieces of whale. White tailed deer are a fairly majestic animal in my opinion. That doesn't mean they taste any worse. Humans have a nasty habit of killing eachother. Maybe we should just skip all this "living" buisness and commit suicide... |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2008, 08:58:18 AM » |
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I mean, the US Navy can't preform sonar testing for fear whales will be beached but the Japanese can blatantly hunt them? A beached whale benefits no one. It just sits there on the beach and rots. When the Japanese hunt them it's for the purpose of whatever those guys do with the products made by bits and pieces of whale. White tailed deer are a fairly majestic animal in my opinion. That doesn't mean they taste any worse. Humans have a nasty habit of killing eachother. Maybe we should just skip all this "living" buisness and commit suicide... Don't do it. I would miss you.  |
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2008, 12:46:06 PM » |
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It all just seems like a never ending battle. call me a pessimist...  |
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