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Lebanese Cabinet lets Hezbollah keep its weapons

By ZEINA KARAM (AP) – 6 hours ago

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Lebanon's new government Wednesday endorsed Hezbollah's right to keep its weapons, the latest sign that the group has no intention of meeting a U.N. resolution calling for it to disarm.

Lebanon's government is a shaky coalition of Western-backed factions and the militant group Hezbollah, which has virtual veto power over the government. The group is believed to have thousands of rockets and missiles hidden in basements and bunkers throughout Shiite Muslim areas of the tiny country.

Hezbollah's refusal to give up its weapons has generated division within the country as well as concern in Israel, which says it is preparing to deploy a defense system to shoot down rockets from Lebanon.

A United Nations resolution that ended Hezbollah's 2006 war with Israel calls on the group to disarm, but Hezbollah says it must retain its weapons to fight off any future Israeli threat and persistent violations of Lebanon's airspace.

The United States lists Hezbollah as a terrorist group and denounces suspected aid by Iran and Syria. Washington also says Islamic militants linked to al-Qaida have taken advantage of instability to infiltrate Lebanon.

Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said recently that his group has replenished its weapons stock since 2006 and now has more than 30,000 rockets, which he said can strike virtually anywhere in Israel....

Can there even be a question as to who holds the real power in Lebanon anymore?  Of course not.... (as the world once again laughs at the UN and it's laundry list of meaningless resolutions).

Another "unity government" (much like the Palestinian's short lived Unity Government)... which in reality is little more than the weaker side cowering to the stronger.   Hezbollah now clearly holds the cards (as if we needed clarification wink )

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Can there even be a question as to who holds the real power in Lebanon anymore?  Of course not.... (as the world once again laughs at the UN and it's laundry list of meaningless resolutions).

Another "unity government" (much like the Palestinian's short lived Unity Government)... which in reality is little more than the weaker side cowering to the stronger.   Hezbollah now clearly holds the cards (as if we needed clarification wink )

Just another bullet in a long list of reasons why our support for/against anyone in that region is pointless.  This is never going to stop until all actors have a legitimate knock-down, drag-out fight.  I don't want to see that because it will be a mess, but I really don't see any other way.  The people don't really seem tired of fighting - on either side.  Not to say that they want to keep fighting, just that they are willing to do it for whatever reason.

Once the cost becomes so high that one or both sides are genuinely begging for peace will anything of any significance ever take place.  Until then, this is just going to keep going on and on.

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I don't understand why the decision by the Hezbullah not to give up their weapons (and therefore cease to exist) would be of any surprise.

The Hezbullah is an arsenal, mostly. A weapon cache for an Iranian outpost.

It doesn't mean Lebanese want to make war.

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I don't understand why the decision by the Hezbullah not to give up their weapons (and therefore cease to exist) would be of any surprise.

The Hezbullah is an arsenal, mostly. A weapon cache for an Iranian outpost.

It doesn't mean Lebanese want to make war.

It's not about Hezbollah not wanted to give up there weapons (an obvious), or wanting to "make war", BUT THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT (who's theoretically supposed to be controlling/ruling over Hezbollah militia) who's endorsing Hezbollah's right to keep its weapons...In other words, the Lebanese government is basically giving up on attempting to reign in Hezbollah and in doing so is openly violating it's ceasefire agreement which the Lebanese cabinet (which at the time included 2 members of Hezbollah) unanimously agreed to.

Security Council Resolution 1701 (which was to resolve the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict)demanded (among other things) that Hezbollah was to be disarmed (OP3), that full control of Lebanon was to be by the government of Lebanon (OP3), and that there were to be no paramilitary forces (Hezbollah) south of the Litani River (OP8).  The Lebanese government has now basically admitted that it has no desire and/or ability to reign in Hezbollah and their weapons cache...MEANING, Hezbollah is clearly in control.

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Fredledingue wrote:

I don't understand why the decision by the Hezbullah not to give up their weapons (and therefore cease to exist) would be of any surprise.

The Hezbullah is an arsenal, mostly. A weapon cache for an Iranian outpost.

It doesn't mean Lebanese want to make war.

It's not about Hezbollah not wanted to give up there weapons (an obvious), or wanting to "make war", BUT THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT (who's theoretically supposed to be controlling/ruling over Hezbollah militia) who's endorsing Hezbollah's right to keep its weapons...In other words, the Lebanese government is basically giving up on attempting to reign in Hezbollah and in doing so is openly violating it's ceasefire agreement which the Lebanese cabinet (which at the time included 2 members of Hezbollah) unanimously agreed to.

Security Council Resolution 1701 (which was to resolve the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict)demanded (among other things) that Hezbollah was to be disarmed (OP3), that full control of Lebanon was to be by the government of Lebanon (OP3), and that there were to be no paramilitary forces (Hezbollah) south of the Litani River (OP8).  The Lebanese government has now basically admitted that it has no desire and/or ability to reign in Hezbollah and their weapons cache...MEANING, Hezbollah is clearly in control.

It is not that simple. Hezbollah is effectively in control of Shi'a areas because among other things, they provide schools, medical and social services.

If the government insists they must give up their weapons and Hezbollah says, "you can pry them from our cold, dead hands" which they probably did, then the government is effectively opening a civil war with the Shi'a. Do they have the resources and support for that? Doubt it. Besides, been there, done that, it was a complete disaster.

So, then what? An Israeli invasion? Been there, done that and it only made Hezbollah stronger. Hezbollah isn't in control of the country, just their parts of it and that fact has to be dealt with. All the alternatives are worse.

Hell is a place where there is no reason.

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It is not that simple. Hezbollah is effectively in control of Shi'a areas because among other things, they provide schools, medical and social services.

If the government insists they must give up their weapons and Hezbollah says, "you can pry them from our cold, dead hands" which they probably did, then the government is effectively opening a civil war with the Shi'a. Do they have the resources and support for that? Doubt it. Besides, been there, done that, it was a complete disaster.

So, then what? An Israeli invasion? Been there, done that and it only made Hezbollah stronger. Hezbollah isn't in control of the country, just their parts of it and that fact has to be dealt with. All the alternatives are worse.

That's the same basic argument and excuses Fatah uses when confronted with "dealing with" Hamas ... and that's what I'm pointing out.... When one side won't confront the other who's breaking rules and stockpiling weapons, it's clear who's holding the real power.  Just as Fatah won't confront Hamas, the Lebanese government has now clearly stated (in so many words) that they're not going to confront Hezbollah who's breaking the terms which got Lebanon it's ceasefire... Hence, the Lebanese government has given up any credibility it might have had in being able to commit to peace or future ceasefire terms (when their terrorists get them into more trouble), much as Fatah has little real ability to deliver "peace" to Israel as it's proven itself to be basically powerless over Hamas....

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1) Hizbullah does NOT have veto power in the government. No one does. The opposition is minus one in veto power. The loyalists are minus one in total domination. The president has his share of ministers that balance the scale. The president is Christian.

2) Hizbullah's weapons do not have unanimous support, nor do they have unanimous opposition among all the factions of the Lebanese community, NOT just the Shia

3) Care to state ALL the UN resolutions that Israel didn't comply with? Maybe there isn't enough place on this forum.

4) A sect controlling its part of the country is not something new in Lebanon. It is not restricted to the Shia and Hizbullah. Anyway, in reality, Hizbullah does not control the entire Shia area. There is another Shia group, led by Speaker of parliament Berry that is just as popular.

5) Hizbullah is part of the Lebanese government and part of the parliament. You make it sound as if it is the Lebanese government AGAINST Hizbullah. It is not so.

I can go on and on and on. Maybe I will, but not now.

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1) Hizbullah does NOT have veto power in the government.  No one does ....

....In an Arab-brokered deal to end the fighting, Hezbollah was granted veto power in Lebanon's parliament, and now controls eleven of thirty seats in the cabinet.....
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9155/hez … dcrumb=%2F

Lebanon unity deal gives Hezbollah veto power
Fri., July 11, 2008

BEIRUT - Lebanon's prime minister formed a national unity Cabinet on Friday in which Hezbollah and its allies have veto power over government decisions.....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25637594/

Veto Power (or not) isn't the issue...   Hamas doesn't have "veto power" or "unanimous support" yet they hold the real power over today's Palestinian people as demonstrated by Fatah's unwillingness and inability to confront them or even control territory they occupy.  Now we have the Lebanese government openly and publicly cowering to Hezbollah, and in doing so, breaking the promises it made to get a ceasefire after previous Hezbollah trouble... THAT'S THE ISSUE.

Cedar wrote:

A sect controlling its part of the country is not something new in Lebanon...

Well noted, which only exposes the true weakness of the Lebanese government  (much like Fatah which pretends to be the Palestinian leadership while at the same time having lost control of part of the territory it eventually wants a "state" on to terrorists in it's own government.

Cedar wrote:

5) Hizbullah is part of the Lebanese government and part of the parliament. You make it sound as if it is the Lebanese government AGAINST Hizbullah. It is not so.

Yes, this is well known, and that's part of the problem... You say that as if it's a good thing to have a terrorist group/armed militia as part of your government (??)... Much like the Palestinians have Hamas, you (in Lebanon) have Hezbollah to build up an arms stock and stir up the trouble... The aftermath of that trouble your government will eventually attempt to blame on others...

The Lebanese government has now openly given up any credibility it might have previously had in being able to commit to peace or future ceasefire terms (when Hezbollah causes more trouble) by endorsing Hezbollah's right to keep its weapons in direct violation of the terms it agreed to in an effort to get itself out of trouble just a few years ago.    wink

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....In an Arab-brokered deal to end the fighting, Hezbollah was granted veto power in Lebanon's parliament, and now controls eleven of thirty seats in the cabinet.....
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9155/hez … dcrumb=%2F

Lebanon unity deal gives Hezbollah veto power
Fri., July 11, 2008

BEIRUT - Lebanon's prime minister formed a national unity Cabinet on Friday in which Hezbollah and its allies have veto power over government decisions.....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25637594/

Lol. That was 2 years ago. And it wasn't Hizbullah getting veto power even then. It was the opposition which included the Christian majority in parliament and a druze minority as well.

You do know that there is a new govenment that will be voted to power next week, right?

And in this government, Hizbullah has 2 out of 30 ministers. Now this may give them veto power where you come from, but it doesn't give them more than 2 out of 30 votes here.  tongue

And Hizbullah MPS were elected by the people, they have every right to get their share of ministers.

Veto Power (or not) isn't the issue...   Hamas doesn't have "veto power" or "unanimous support" yet they hold the real power over today's Palestinian people as demonstrated by Fatah's unwillingness and inability to confront them or even control territory they occupy.  Now we have the Lebanese government openly and publicly cowering to Hezbollah, and in doing so, breaking the promises it made to get a ceasefire after previous Hezbollah trouble... THAT'S THE ISSUE.

Hamas and Fatah are both Sunni muslims. In Lebanon, no community, armed or not, can have full power. Here, it's all about balance. If your theory were true, what is keeping Hizbullah from taking over Lebanon militarily? If they do, they will be finished and they know it.

Well noted, which only exposes the true weakness of the Lebanese government

Actually, no. It is the strength of the Lebanese government. The Christians, Druze, Sunnis, and Shia al have their representatives, and they all share power, so that no one can dominate the other.

Yes, this is well known, and that's part of the problem... You say that as if it's a good thing to have a terrorist group/armed militia as part of your government (??)... Much like the Palestinians have Hamas, you (in Lebanon) have Hezbollah to build up an arms stock and stir up the trouble... The aftermath of that trouble your government will eventually attempt to blame on others...

Like it or not, Hizbullah did not usurp power. They got voted into office. Of course, being used as you are to recognise the results of the elections when it suits you and not accepting the will of people OUTSIDE your borders when it doesn't, you wouldn't understand that.

And just because you call them terrorists doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.

The Lebanese government has now openly given up any credibility it might have previously had in being able to commit to peace or future ceasefire terms (when Hezbollah causes more trouble) by endorsing Hezbollah's right to keep its weapons in direct violation of the terms it agreed to in an effort to get itself out of trouble just a few years ago.    wink

Hahaha.....
Actually, I recall Israel wanting a way out just as badly as Lebanon, even more so. One would have to be really gullible to believe that where Israel has militarily failed to disarm Hizbullah, the Lebanese government would, especially that not all are against their weapons. The Israelis sold you this notion....and you bought it haha. It was a dignified way to stop a war they said wouldn't stop until Hizbullah is destroyed.

Besides, the Lebanese government then is not the same as it is now. Neither are the circumstances.

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It's not about Hezbollah not wanted to give up there weapons (an obvious), or wanting to "make war", BUT THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT (who's theoretically supposed to be controlling/ruling over Hezbollah militia) who's endorsing Hezbollah's right to keep its weapons...In other words, the Lebanese government is basically giving up on attempting to reign in Hezbollah

The Lebanese governement NEVER had the pretense of disarming Hezbullah let alone riegn in them.
This resolution is purely symbolical since Hezbullah won't be disarmed whatever the Lebanese governement says or does.
And nobody ever asked them to do something totaly beyond their control and outside their territorial juridiction.
What Hezbullah does or have is none of their business.

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... Hence, the Lebanese government has given up any credibility

They couldn't give up or losse something they never had. The Beyrouth zoo guardian has more credibility than the Lebanese Governement and certainly more influence on Hezbullah.

So why don't you talk to and criticize the Beyrouth zoo guardian instead?
Why do you focus on poeple who have no say in this matter whatsoever?

Cedar wrote:

There is another Shia group, led by Speaker of parliament Berry that is just as popular.

You mean,... just as radical? neutral

Cedar wrote:

Hizbullah is part of the Lebanese government and part of the parliament. You make it sound as if it is the Lebanese government AGAINST Hizbullah. It is not so.

Well Hezbullah has been in and out of this governement depending on their mood.
But yes, how the Lebanese government could be against Hezbullah?:!:

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Hahaha.....
Actually, I recall Israel wanting a way out just as badly as Lebanon, even more so. One would have to be really gullible to believe that where Israel has militarily failed to disarm Hizbullah, the Lebanese government would, especially that not all are against their weapons. The Israelis sold you this notion....and you bought it haha.

LMAO... Who do you think you're kidding Cedar??, Israel could have wiped out Hezbollah and a good chunk of the rest of your country's infrastructure if they wanted to, but they chose a more humane path in an attempt to spare more innocent lives.  Without putting one Israeli on Lebanese soil, Israel could have continuously bombed Hezbollah positions from the air and from "home" until there was virtuallynothing left, and in doing so, would have pushed the southern Half of Lebanon back into the 3rd century  They could have, but chose otherwise.

More war would have cost more innocent lives.  YOUR COUNTRY'S GOVERNMENT (Lebanon) committed to disarming Hezbollah and taking control of the entire country (among other things) to save what remained of your -sses.

Kofi Annan (UN) stated "The understanding was that it would be the Lebanese who would disarm [Hezbollah]" and that "Obviously, if at some stage they need advice or some help from the international community and they were to approach us, we would consider it, but the troops are not going in there to disarm."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527391 … banon.html

By not disarming Hezbollah as committed to, Lebanon has opened the door for Israel to finish the job, should it choose to.


Fredledingue wrote:

The Lebanese governement NEVER had the pretense of disarming Hezbullah let alone riegn in them.
This resolution is purely symbolical since Hezbullah won't be disarmed whatever the Lebanese governement says or does.

EXACTLY... which exposes the Lebanese government for what they actually are, AND ARE NOT.

In the US, and other western developed nations, we have this CRAZY IDEA that those who represent themselves as a government of a nation actually represent and have some reasonable control over those said nations.... We have this CRAZY IDEA that when a representative government/cabinet makes a commitment, that they actually have the will and ability to follow through with it as they (theoretically at least) are in control of the nation they represent. 

Those of us familiar with the middle-east region know this(the above) to often NOT be the case.  THE MASSES WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR with the region every so often need to be exposed to the "reality" of WHY the words/commitments/promises of governments such as that in Lebanon mean so little, which is why I posted the original article, and referenced another commitment walked away from.

Fredledingue wrote:
Realityman wrote:

... Hence, the Lebanese government has given up any credibility

They couldn't give up or losse something they never had. ...:

EXACTLY... (but many don't know that and/or pretend otherwise)

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Like the Somali governement. It's comparable.

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Those of us familiar with the middle-east region

'nough said  wink

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cybert wrote:

It is not that simple. Hezbollah is effectively in control of Shi'a areas because among other things, they provide schools, medical and social services.

If the government insists they must give up their weapons and Hezbollah says, "you can pry them from our cold, dead hands" which they probably did, then the government is effectively opening a civil war with the Shi'a. Do they have the resources and support for that? Doubt it. Besides, been there, done that, it was a complete disaster.

So, then what? An Israeli invasion? Been there, done that and it only made Hezbollah stronger. Hezbollah isn't in control of the country, just their parts of it and that fact has to be dealt with. All the alternatives are worse.

That's the same basic argument and excuses Fatah uses when confronted with "dealing with" Hamas ... and that's what I'm pointing out.... When one side won't confront the other who's breaking rules and stockpiling weapons, it's clear who's holding the real power.  Just as Fatah won't confront Hamas, the Lebanese government has now clearly stated (in so many words) that they're not going to confront Hezbollah who's breaking the terms which got Lebanon it's ceasefire... Hence, the Lebanese government has given up any credibility it might have had in being able to commit to peace or future ceasefire terms (when their terrorists get them into more trouble), much as Fatah has little real ability to deliver "peace" to Israel as it's proven itself to be basically powerless over Hamas....

Again, it is not an excuse, you know, it is reality like in your name.

Reality is not, they are holding the real power.

No, they are holding THEIR OWN POWER, not the country's.

Huff and puff all you want but here is reality: Israel's invasion was a failure that backfired, that's why they allowed the cease fire. You won't see Israel do it again, armed Hezbollah or no because they would just make them more powerful.

Hell is a place where there is no reason.

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Random YouTube video's?  Weak.

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What's even weaker is a random drive by posting that you want me to verify. 

You made a claim, it's yours to back.

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No, you don't get it.  Which doesn't really surprise me....I have no interest in doing a lazy posters work for him.  Make a claim, back it up.  Or end up looking like a douche.  Your choice.  But I think it is obvious to all that you already picked.

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Well given I have posted a couple links for you to read and given the speed of your   'none reply'  I would say you skipped them, so no point in bothering with you.

You are just out for a pizzing contest and not something I have an interest in.

Right.  A random YouTube vid, and a link of resolutions against 'Israel'.  Complete with Israel in quotes.  Your bias is so glaring it makes you not really worth the effort.  Post something on the other side.  I dare you.  But I bet you weren't even aware that anybody other than 'Israel' ever did anything wrong in the world.  Quotes and all. 

Your interest is denigrating Israel.  Not 'truth', or honesty.  That is fine, just be honest about it yourself.  Admit it and the truth shall set you free!

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I got what I expected ...no answers  because you have none for the 72 UN resolution that Israel have ignored?

Ahhh... here we go again... The UN resolution Israel has ignored, which of course, ignores the blatant anti-Israel bias of the UN which gives them little if any credibility when it comes to the middle-east.

First, with regard to the topic at hand, Resolution 1701 IS FAR DIFFERENT from the resolutions you're attempting to divert to "FairPlay"... WHY??  Because Resolution 1701 was a CEASEFIRE AGREEMENT NOT ONLY approved by the United Nations Security Council, but ALSO WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED by The Lebanese cabinet, (including the two members of Hezbollah in the cabinet) on 12 August 2006 (one day after it's UN passage)... How many of those meaningless resolutions your video cited were approved by the Israeli government??  Need I tell you that answer?

NOW, why has the UN and it's resolutions become virtually meaningless with regard to Israel?  The answer is the UN's blatant pro-Muslim and anti-Israel bias...Of 10 emergency special sessions called by the GA, six have been about Israel. No emergency sessions have been held on the Rwandan genocide, ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia, or the two decades of atrocities in Sudan. ...

While we have Muslim nations are/were harboring recognized terrorist groups (even inviting them into their governments  big_smile ), the UN  barely burps... While Muslim nations are openly funding and supplying weapons to  terrorist groups, and while Muslim Women are/were being abused, even mutilated in the name of Islam in Islamic nations, the UN apparently has little interest..... While Tibet, Cambodia, and other world problems have come and gone, the UN has failed to decisively act or pass meaningful legislation ... BUT, the UN has the time and inclination to pass a resolution, (as an example) warning Israel against holding an Independence Day Parade (UN Security Council Resolution 250), and when Israel ignored the warning, the UN had the TIME TO PASS a second resolution condemning Israel for having a parade (UNSC Resolution 251)...  SO PLEASE, do tell us more about the UN and it's meaningful resolutions which Israel has ignored...  big_smile  ... And then contrast that to a CEASEFIRE AGREEMENT resolution approved unanimously by the UN and then the Lebanese government agreeing to terms which it's now walking away from.

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Nothing new on this forum as those who support the Israeli State and those who don't line up to try to prove who might be right.

So while extraneous posts and the line up argues, from over at J Street, though on Siverstein's blog, let's toss this one in for those who can't get enough of the madman, who now is Israel's elected leader, and move on to a bit of Iran and BiBi's meddling.

IRAN REFORM MOVEMENT: WITH ‘FRIENDS’ LIKE BIBI, NEEDS NO ENEMIES

Bibi Netanyahu, under the guise of supporting Iran’s reform movement just shot it in the foot:
“Iran is silencing all sources of information,” said Netanyahu. “Using the power of the Internet and of Twitter against the Iranian regime is a tremendous thing that the United States can do.”

The prime minister added that the “deep hatred among part of the Iranian nation against the regime” could serve as a “very important asset to Israel.”

Yes, certainly let’s have Israel’s leader co-opt the reform movement for its own selfish political ends and let’s announce it to the world so that the mullahs can exploit it and hammer the hell out of the reformers.  If you ever hear anyone say that he cares about Iranian freedom, laugh in their face.  I doubt he even cares about Israel’s interests except when they align with his own personal ones.

Today’s NY Times announces that 20 mothers mourning the murders of their children during June election demonstrations were arrested at one of their weekly demonstrations (it appears they’ve modeled themselves on Argentina’s Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo).  Yeah, why doesn’t Bibi just stick it in their eye and give the regime further cause to arrest dissidents and charge them with being spies for the Mossad?

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun … o-enemies/

Never heard of J Street or Siverstein. Let me introduce you.

They are the non-AIPAC Jewish Lobby.

Read a lot and maybe also learn a lot. Not all Jews in the U.S. are
AIPAC supporters. Some would prefer to avoid rather than going to war as BiBi threatens daily and kills without remorse.



http://www.jstreet.org/page/j-street-myths-and-facts

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if you don't like it here, leave.
if you continue to go on and on about how you don't like it here, i'll do you a favor.

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Obviously this thread has wandered far off topic so I think I'll begin a new one more appropriate to the topic of the various opinions
expressed by different members related to the current government
of Israel and the disagreements about the actions that are taken by
those in power there.

There are those who will always choose a lie rather than face  the truth.

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FairPlay wrote:

What Hezbollah and Hamas do is savage, what Israel does is just as savage, if not more so, because they do it with US blessing.
Israel was born out of terrorism and what they are now doing to the Palestinians is near the same as the Nazi's did to them and many other groups of people that were seen as odd, not at all human, not fit to live.

When you think of the suicide bombers, you have to wonder at their desperation.
When Israel does their bombing of streets full of people, homes and refugee camps, farmers in fields you have to wonder at their savagery but when you read what the more rabid Israeli leaders have said over the years then they leave you in no doubts as to their intent, with the clearing of all the Palestinians from their homes and homelands.

LOL....Instead of diverting from the Hezbollah and Lebanon's openly breaking of their ceasefire agreement topic, why don't you post this nonsense as a NEW TOPIC "FairPlay".....  When you do so, I'd be happy to expose your blatantly ignorant distortions above to the light of facts and and well documented history  (when I have some time  wink  )

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Re: Lebanese Cabinet lets Hezbollah keep its weapons

realityman wrote:

LOL....Instead of diverting from the Hezbollah and Lebanon's openly breaking of their ceasefire agreement topic,

World Briefing | Middle East: Lebanon: U.N. Protest Over Israeli Jets

November 18, 2006

United Nations antiaircraft batteries in southern Lebanon took ''preparatory steps'' to fire at Israeli warplanes after they violated a cease-fire by repeatedly flying overhead, United Nations officials said. They flew over United Nations positions 14 times, 11 of those over positions staffed by French troops, the officials said. Maj. Gen. Alain Pellegrini, commander of the United Nations forces in Lebanon, issued a protest to Israeli authorities. Israel says the flights are for reconnaissance. On Oct. 31, French peacekeepers came close to firing at Israeli jets when they flew overhead, and Paris issued an official

Israel jets fly over Lebanon despite appeal

October 23, 2006

Israeli jets have routinely flown over Lebanon since a 34-day war between Israel and Hezbollah ended on August. 14 with a UN-sponsored truce and the expansion of a UN peacekeeping force, including a French contingent, in southern Lebanon


25 Israeli Violations, Lebanon Files Complaint with U.N.

Beirut, 17 Oct 09

Lebanon has registered 15 Israeli violations of its airspace in addition to 10 sea and land violations in the period between Sept. 15 and 21.
In a letter addressed to the U.N., Lebanon said the air violations included the roaming of Israeli spy jets and warplanes over Lebanese skies.

The letter said the sea violations included attacks on fishermen and their boats inside Lebanese territorial

Violation of 1701? That ship has looooonnnng sailed, dear, and with it all Israel's credibility.


I'd be happy to expose your blatantly ignorant distortions above to the light of facts and and well documented history  (when I have some time  wink  )

Right back at ya RM,...when I have the time  big_smile

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